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ParticipantI believe for motorcycles it is required in the state of CA to have your light on.
ParticipantI believe for motorcycles it is required in the state of CA to have your light on.
ParticipantIf you torture the statistics long enough, they’ll confess to whatever you want them to.
ParticipantIf you torture the statistics long enough, they’ll confess to whatever you want them to.
ParticipantIf you torture the statistics long enough, they’ll confess to whatever you want them to.
ParticipantIf you torture the statistics long enough, they’ll confess to whatever you want them to.
ParticipantIf you torture the statistics long enough, they’ll confess to whatever you want them to.
June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409703Participant[quote=SDEngineer]You could use this argument against every position in every company, public or private, and wind up proving that virtually everyone is overpaid.[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of this argument. What I think you’re saying is that if you use the two criteria that I outlined:
1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.
2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.
everyone at every company is over paid.
Can you support that view with something? Or if I’ve misunderstood your argument, please clarify for me.
My personal experience at virtually every company I’ve worked at (or run) is that in the private sector you have to ask that question continually, or your company will not be competitive and will fail. (Hmmmm… maybe that explains why a lot of companies are failing lately)
While I’m not sure how you would prove the point that top managers are overcompensated, my experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409940Participant[quote=SDEngineer]You could use this argument against every position in every company, public or private, and wind up proving that virtually everyone is overpaid.[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of this argument. What I think you’re saying is that if you use the two criteria that I outlined:
1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.
2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.
everyone at every company is over paid.
Can you support that view with something? Or if I’ve misunderstood your argument, please clarify for me.
My personal experience at virtually every company I’ve worked at (or run) is that in the private sector you have to ask that question continually, or your company will not be competitive and will fail. (Hmmmm… maybe that explains why a lot of companies are failing lately)
While I’m not sure how you would prove the point that top managers are overcompensated, my experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410187Participant[quote=SDEngineer]You could use this argument against every position in every company, public or private, and wind up proving that virtually everyone is overpaid.[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of this argument. What I think you’re saying is that if you use the two criteria that I outlined:
1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.
2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.
everyone at every company is over paid.
Can you support that view with something? Or if I’ve misunderstood your argument, please clarify for me.
My personal experience at virtually every company I’ve worked at (or run) is that in the private sector you have to ask that question continually, or your company will not be competitive and will fail. (Hmmmm… maybe that explains why a lot of companies are failing lately)
While I’m not sure how you would prove the point that top managers are overcompensated, my experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410249Participant[quote=SDEngineer]You could use this argument against every position in every company, public or private, and wind up proving that virtually everyone is overpaid.[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of this argument. What I think you’re saying is that if you use the two criteria that I outlined:
1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.
2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.
everyone at every company is over paid.
Can you support that view with something? Or if I’ve misunderstood your argument, please clarify for me.
My personal experience at virtually every company I’ve worked at (or run) is that in the private sector you have to ask that question continually, or your company will not be competitive and will fail. (Hmmmm… maybe that explains why a lot of companies are failing lately)
While I’m not sure how you would prove the point that top managers are overcompensated, my experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410400Participant[quote=SDEngineer]You could use this argument against every position in every company, public or private, and wind up proving that virtually everyone is overpaid.[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of this argument. What I think you’re saying is that if you use the two criteria that I outlined:
1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.
2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.
everyone at every company is over paid.
Can you support that view with something? Or if I’ve misunderstood your argument, please clarify for me.
My personal experience at virtually every company I’ve worked at (or run) is that in the private sector you have to ask that question continually, or your company will not be competitive and will fail. (Hmmmm… maybe that explains why a lot of companies are failing lately)
While I’m not sure how you would prove the point that top managers are overcompensated, my experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]It actually happened April 17 at 9:37 pm.[/quote]
All I can say is I hope it was enjoyable for you as it was for me. Personally, I will never forget that night…
Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]It actually happened April 17 at 9:37 pm.[/quote]
All I can say is I hope it was enjoyable for you as it was for me. Personally, I will never forget that night…
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