San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life…

[Casca]

The public trough welfare queens never get enough.

[temeculaguy]

If you were to study the life expectancy of police and fire 30 year employees it might help ease your pain and envy. The cold reality is that very few make it 30 years to get the brass ring and of those who do make it very few pull those checks for very long.

The “safety” employees have sweeter pensions, no argument there, but the average survivability is something like 7 years. Missed holidays, divorces, odd hours, life and death decisions that don’t always go the right way, guilt, pain and being demonized for either bad decisions or undue rewards, take their toll on the body and mind. There is only a certain amount of death, destruction and pain that a human can encounter before it takes it manifests itself physically.

In this woman’s case, do you think that pioneering an dangerous industry as a woman was an easy task, do you think she is without physical and emotional scar tissue.

I know everyone thinks what they do is hard and it probably is, but if it was a bet in a casino and you could choose a number of people with a variety of vocations, which do you think would live the longest in retirement? I would keep my money away from betting on the guns and hoses.

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

I don’t always care about a lot of people, but the cops, fireman and soldiers can have my tax money.

[temeculaguy]

If you were to study the life expectancy of police and fire 30 year employees it might help ease your pain and envy. The cold reality is that very few make it 30 years to get the brass ring and of those who do make it very few pull those checks for very long.

The “safety” employees have sweeter pensions, no argument there, but the average survivability is something like 7 years. Missed holidays, divorces, odd hours, life and death decisions that don’t always go the right way, guilt, pain and being demonized for either bad decisions or undue rewards, take their toll on the body and mind. There is only a certain amount of death, destruction and pain that a human can encounter before it takes it manifests itself physically.

In this woman’s case, do you think that pioneering an dangerous industry as a woman was an easy task, do you think she is without physical and emotional scar tissue.

I know everyone thinks what they do is hard and it probably is, but if it was a bet in a casino and you could choose a number of people with a variety of vocations, which do you think would live the longest in retirement? I would keep my money away from betting on the guns and hoses.

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

I don’t always care about a lot of people, but the cops, fireman and soldiers can have my tax money.

[temeculaguy]

If you were to study the life expectancy of police and fire 30 year employees it might help ease your pain and envy. The cold reality is that very few make it 30 years to get the brass ring and of those who do make it very few pull those checks for very long.

The “safety” employees have sweeter pensions, no argument there, but the average survivability is something like 7 years. Missed holidays, divorces, odd hours, life and death decisions that don’t always go the right way, guilt, pain and being demonized for either bad decisions or undue rewards, take their toll on the body and mind. There is only a certain amount of death, destruction and pain that a human can encounter before it takes it manifests itself physically.

In this woman’s case, do you think that pioneering an dangerous industry as a woman was an easy task, do you think she is without physical and emotional scar tissue.

I know everyone thinks what they do is hard and it probably is, but if it was a bet in a casino and you could choose a number of people with a variety of vocations, which do you think would live the longest in retirement? I would keep my money away from betting on the guns and hoses.

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

I don’t always care about a lot of people, but the cops, fireman and soldiers can have my tax money.

[temeculaguy]

If you were to study the life expectancy of police and fire 30 year employees it might help ease your pain and envy. The cold reality is that very few make it 30 years to get the brass ring and of those who do make it very few pull those checks for very long.

The “safety” employees have sweeter pensions, no argument there, but the average survivability is something like 7 years. Missed holidays, divorces, odd hours, life and death decisions that don’t always go the right way, guilt, pain and being demonized for either bad decisions or undue rewards, take their toll on the body and mind. There is only a certain amount of death, destruction and pain that a human can encounter before it takes it manifests itself physically.

In this woman’s case, do you think that pioneering an dangerous industry as a woman was an easy task, do you think she is without physical and emotional scar tissue.

I know everyone thinks what they do is hard and it probably is, but if it was a bet in a casino and you could choose a number of people with a variety of vocations, which do you think would live the longest in retirement? I would keep my money away from betting on the guns and hoses.

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

I don’t always care about a lot of people, but the cops, fireman and soldiers can have my tax money.

[temeculaguy]

If you were to study the life expectancy of police and fire 30 year employees it might help ease your pain and envy. The cold reality is that very few make it 30 years to get the brass ring and of those who do make it very few pull those checks for very long.

The “safety” employees have sweeter pensions, no argument there, but the average survivability is something like 7 years. Missed holidays, divorces, odd hours, life and death decisions that don’t always go the right way, guilt, pain and being demonized for either bad decisions or undue rewards, take their toll on the body and mind. There is only a certain amount of death, destruction and pain that a human can encounter before it takes it manifests itself physically.

In this woman’s case, do you think that pioneering an dangerous industry as a woman was an easy task, do you think she is without physical and emotional scar tissue.

I know everyone thinks what they do is hard and it probably is, but if it was a bet in a casino and you could choose a number of people with a variety of vocations, which do you think would live the longest in retirement? I would keep my money away from betting on the guns and hoses.

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

I don’t always care about a lot of people, but the cops, fireman and soldiers can have my tax money.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=SDEngineer] the most appropriate comparison to the commander of the fire department would be a CEO of an equivalent sized company[/quote]

I don’t think this is a valid argument for two reasons

1) It implies that the CEO’s of private sector companies are fairly paid. (Highly dubious in my mind)

2) It implies that private sector and public sector are equal and comparable. (I wouldn’t call this highly dubious as I did reason one, but I think this assumption definitely needs to be questioned.)

It would seem to me that a more appropriate criteria would include questions like:

1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.

2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.

Question 2 would seem to me to be the kicker. While I don’t know the specifics, my bet is that there would be a number of good people in the firefighting organization that would be willing to take the job for a lesser salary and would be plenty competent to do the job.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=SDEngineer] the most appropriate comparison to the commander of the fire department would be a CEO of an equivalent sized company[/quote]

I don’t think this is a valid argument for two reasons

1) It implies that the CEO’s of private sector companies are fairly paid. (Highly dubious in my mind)

2) It implies that private sector and public sector are equal and comparable. (I wouldn’t call this highly dubious as I did reason one, but I think this assumption definitely needs to be questioned.)

It would seem to me that a more appropriate criteria would include questions like:

1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.

2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.

Question 2 would seem to me to be the kicker. While I don’t know the specifics, my bet is that there would be a number of good people in the firefighting organization that would be willing to take the job for a lesser salary and would be plenty competent to do the job.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=SDEngineer] the most appropriate comparison to the commander of the fire department would be a CEO of an equivalent sized company[/quote]

I don’t think this is a valid argument for two reasons

1) It implies that the CEO’s of private sector companies are fairly paid. (Highly dubious in my mind)

2) It implies that private sector and public sector are equal and comparable. (I wouldn’t call this highly dubious as I did reason one, but I think this assumption definitely needs to be questioned.)

It would seem to me that a more appropriate criteria would include questions like:

1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.

2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.

Question 2 would seem to me to be the kicker. While I don’t know the specifics, my bet is that there would be a number of good people in the firefighting organization that would be willing to take the job for a lesser salary and would be plenty competent to do the job.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=SDEngineer] the most appropriate comparison to the commander of the fire department would be a CEO of an equivalent sized company[/quote]

I don’t think this is a valid argument for two reasons

1) It implies that the CEO’s of private sector companies are fairly paid. (Highly dubious in my mind)

2) It implies that private sector and public sector are equal and comparable. (I wouldn’t call this highly dubious as I did reason one, but I think this assumption definitely needs to be questioned.)

It would seem to me that a more appropriate criteria would include questions like:

1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.

2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.

Question 2 would seem to me to be the kicker. While I don’t know the specifics, my bet is that there would be a number of good people in the firefighting organization that would be willing to take the job for a lesser salary and would be plenty competent to do the job.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=SDEngineer] the most appropriate comparison to the commander of the fire department would be a CEO of an equivalent sized company[/quote]

I don’t think this is a valid argument for two reasons

1) It implies that the CEO’s of private sector companies are fairly paid. (Highly dubious in my mind)

2) It implies that private sector and public sector are equal and comparable. (I wouldn’t call this highly dubious as I did reason one, but I think this assumption definitely needs to be questioned.)

It would seem to me that a more appropriate criteria would include questions like:

1) Does this person bring enough added value to the organization to justify their pay.

2) Can this job be filled by an equally capable person for less pay and retirement.

Question 2 would seem to me to be the kicker. While I don’t know the specifics, my bet is that there would be a number of good people in the firefighting organization that would be willing to take the job for a lesser salary and would be plenty competent to do the job.

[blahblahblah]

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

Ummmm I don’t think this is the right website to be using the statistical mean as the basis for your argument 🙂

Certainly average life expectancy is lower among these groups, but I’d wager that the standard deviation in life expectancy is much higher than in the general population due to the dangerous and stressful nature of the work. More low samples due to on-the-job deaths and the mean is of course lowered. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a 60 year old retired firefighter is less likely to make it to 75.

I’m just sayin’…

[blahblahblah]

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

Ummmm I don’t think this is the right website to be using the statistical mean as the basis for your argument 🙂

Certainly average life expectancy is lower among these groups, but I’d wager that the standard deviation in life expectancy is much higher than in the general population due to the dangerous and stressful nature of the work. More low samples due to on-the-job deaths and the mean is of course lowered. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a 60 year old retired firefighter is less likely to make it to 75.

I’m just sayin’…

[blahblahblah]

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

Ummmm I don’t think this is the right website to be using the statistical mean as the basis for your argument 🙂

Certainly average life expectancy is lower among these groups, but I’d wager that the standard deviation in life expectancy is much higher than in the general population due to the dangerous and stressful nature of the work. More low samples due to on-the-job deaths and the mean is of course lowered. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a 60 year old retired firefighter is less likely to make it to 75.

I’m just sayin’…

[blahblahblah]

The average non police life expectency for males in the us is in the high 70’s, police life expectancy is between 53 and 66 depending on the study (various studies for different departments, some including less traditonal “cops” like park rangers, federal agents, marshals, etc. but the best scenario is 66), I imagine fire is similar. For the boys and girls who strap it on and head into the actual fires or fights, they will live only into their fifties, so do you really envy them now?

Ummmm I don’t think this is the right website to be using the statistical mean as the basis for your argument 🙂

Certainly average life expectancy is lower among these groups, but I’d wager that the standard deviation in life expectancy is much higher than in the general population due to the dangerous and stressful nature of the work. More low samples due to on-the-job deaths and the mean is of course lowered. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a 60 year old retired firefighter is less likely to make it to 75.

I’m just sayin’…

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