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December 21, 2009 at 9:40 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #496875December 21, 2009 at 9:40 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #497116
urbanrealtor
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=8bitnintendo]
I love diving (will be in Belize diving this Xmas)[/quote]
I spent three years in Central America during the 1980s when I was in the Army. It was a fairly crappy gig, but I did have some great diving opportunities, including Belize.
If you have a chance, hit Turneffe Atoll, Lighthouse Atoll and Ambergris Caye (home of the Great Blue Hole). I dove there with another Ranger and a pair of Navy SEALs back in the day, and it was a friggin’ blast.
The profusion of marine life is incredible, especially the rays, eels and sharks.
I hear you about the expense of sky diving. If they ever offer private HALO jumps, I’d go in a heartbeat. I did a half dozen of those while in the Army, and the experience was incredible.[/quote]
I once saw a movie set in latin america called great blue hole.
December 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #496166ParticipantI resolve to cut down on the amount of whiskey I drink before noon.
December 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #496316ParticipantI resolve to cut down on the amount of whiskey I drink before noon.
December 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #496701ParticipantI resolve to cut down on the amount of whiskey I drink before noon.
December 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #496788ParticipantI resolve to cut down on the amount of whiskey I drink before noon.
December 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM in reply to: OT: Ok, time for New Years Resolutions. What’s yours??? #497026ParticipantI resolve to cut down on the amount of whiskey I drink before noon.
Participant[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]
Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.
The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.
BFD
I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.
You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.
Not exactly the makings of a revolution.
If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.
Participant[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]
Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.
The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.
BFD
I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.
You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.
Not exactly the makings of a revolution.
If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.
Participant[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]
Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.
The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.
BFD
I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.
You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.
Not exactly the makings of a revolution.
If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.
Participant[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]
Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.
The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.
BFD
I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.
You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.
Not exactly the makings of a revolution.
If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.
Participant[quote=aldante][quote=urbanrealtor]The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]
Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.
The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.[/quote]
How does this fit outside my understanding?You are complaining about what the people you elected are doing.
BFD
I respect your rights on this but it still is just a complaint.
You still have the right to vote and complain about who gets elected and what they do.
Not exactly the makings of a revolution.
If you start declaring independence from the US I might change my opinion.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Dan: My point regarding representative democracy was simply this: Money = Access…
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I am quivering in respect of this earth-shattering insight.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Given that it costs millions upon millions of dollars to run for office these days, politicians have become more and more beholden to those that can afford to pony up the money….
[/quote]
Couple of problems here:
-These decisions (votes and compromises) are being made by legislators. I doubt Susan Davis’ office (she is my house member) spends “millions and millions” on her campaign. Having visited her office, I doubt they spend even thousands on much.
-Also the nature of democracy is to limit the inequities of capitalism. It is easy to influence decisions but hard to literally buy election.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
As far as this health care bill goes: It is a mess. Its a cumbersome piece of legislation …
[/quote]
Yeah I get that you don’t like it.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
special interest, industry groups and lobbyists to put their mark on legislation without the pesky issue of debate or review.[/quote]
The argument here is that there has not been enough debate? They have had piles of debate and versions passed both houses after considerable review and reworking.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]The MSM, which, once upon a time, had investigative journalists and diligently reported the news, is completely AWOL…
[/quote]
So your other argument is that the news is ignoring health care?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Our politicians don’t answer to us anymore…
[/quote]
Again, we lost the right to vote?
We don’t prosecute kleptocrats?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The actions of government as of late are either confiscatory (in terms of wealth redistribution), intrusive (Patriot I and II) or illegal (takeovers, bailouts or foreign wars that DON’T protect the well being or interest of US citizens).Didn’t we already go to war over this shit before (American Revolution)?
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No. We attempted to fight for our rights as British subjects (like voting). It kind of snowballed when the government explicitly asserted that we had neither our guaranteed rights nor a right to complain.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, no, I’m not the political theorist I mentioned. I might have my self-aggrandizing moments, but I’m not that bad![/quote]
Okay…Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Dan: My point regarding representative democracy was simply this: Money = Access…
[/quote]
I am quivering in respect of this earth-shattering insight.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Given that it costs millions upon millions of dollars to run for office these days, politicians have become more and more beholden to those that can afford to pony up the money….
[/quote]
Couple of problems here:
-These decisions (votes and compromises) are being made by legislators. I doubt Susan Davis’ office (she is my house member) spends “millions and millions” on her campaign. Having visited her office, I doubt they spend even thousands on much.
-Also the nature of democracy is to limit the inequities of capitalism. It is easy to influence decisions but hard to literally buy election.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
As far as this health care bill goes: It is a mess. Its a cumbersome piece of legislation …
[/quote]
Yeah I get that you don’t like it.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
special interest, industry groups and lobbyists to put their mark on legislation without the pesky issue of debate or review.[/quote]
The argument here is that there has not been enough debate? They have had piles of debate and versions passed both houses after considerable review and reworking.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]The MSM, which, once upon a time, had investigative journalists and diligently reported the news, is completely AWOL…
[/quote]
So your other argument is that the news is ignoring health care?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Our politicians don’t answer to us anymore…
[/quote]
Again, we lost the right to vote?
We don’t prosecute kleptocrats?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The actions of government as of late are either confiscatory (in terms of wealth redistribution), intrusive (Patriot I and II) or illegal (takeovers, bailouts or foreign wars that DON’T protect the well being or interest of US citizens).Didn’t we already go to war over this shit before (American Revolution)?
[/quote]
No. We attempted to fight for our rights as British subjects (like voting). It kind of snowballed when the government explicitly asserted that we had neither our guaranteed rights nor a right to complain.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, no, I’m not the political theorist I mentioned. I might have my self-aggrandizing moments, but I’m not that bad![/quote]
Okay…Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Dan: My point regarding representative democracy was simply this: Money = Access…
[/quote]
I am quivering in respect of this earth-shattering insight.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Given that it costs millions upon millions of dollars to run for office these days, politicians have become more and more beholden to those that can afford to pony up the money….
[/quote]
Couple of problems here:
-These decisions (votes and compromises) are being made by legislators. I doubt Susan Davis’ office (she is my house member) spends “millions and millions” on her campaign. Having visited her office, I doubt they spend even thousands on much.
-Also the nature of democracy is to limit the inequities of capitalism. It is easy to influence decisions but hard to literally buy election.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
As far as this health care bill goes: It is a mess. Its a cumbersome piece of legislation …
[/quote]
Yeah I get that you don’t like it.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
special interest, industry groups and lobbyists to put their mark on legislation without the pesky issue of debate or review.[/quote]
The argument here is that there has not been enough debate? They have had piles of debate and versions passed both houses after considerable review and reworking.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]The MSM, which, once upon a time, had investigative journalists and diligently reported the news, is completely AWOL…
[/quote]
So your other argument is that the news is ignoring health care?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Our politicians don’t answer to us anymore…
[/quote]
Again, we lost the right to vote?
We don’t prosecute kleptocrats?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The actions of government as of late are either confiscatory (in terms of wealth redistribution), intrusive (Patriot I and II) or illegal (takeovers, bailouts or foreign wars that DON’T protect the well being or interest of US citizens).Didn’t we already go to war over this shit before (American Revolution)?
[/quote]
No. We attempted to fight for our rights as British subjects (like voting). It kind of snowballed when the government explicitly asserted that we had neither our guaranteed rights nor a right to complain.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, no, I’m not the political theorist I mentioned. I might have my self-aggrandizing moments, but I’m not that bad![/quote]
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