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ParticipantI am not exactly sure because the $15-$20 stuff doesn’t really hold back very long, usually it’s about two years old when it hits the shelf at those prices. It was December 2007 when I first had it, so maybe a 2005 + or – one year?? more than likely you can only get 07’s right now, it’s not the kind of stuff that gets held by dealers or is designed to age. I’ve had some recently, still to my liking but not as good as when I first had it, but that happens with more things than just wine. In that price point, wines are triangle tasted and blended to match prior vintages pretty closely, as you go up in price the vintage matters more and the quality swing is greater.
Why, are you going to a blind tasting party? If you are, let me know how it does.
ParticipantI am not exactly sure because the $15-$20 stuff doesn’t really hold back very long, usually it’s about two years old when it hits the shelf at those prices. It was December 2007 when I first had it, so maybe a 2005 + or – one year?? more than likely you can only get 07’s right now, it’s not the kind of stuff that gets held by dealers or is designed to age. I’ve had some recently, still to my liking but not as good as when I first had it, but that happens with more things than just wine. In that price point, wines are triangle tasted and blended to match prior vintages pretty closely, as you go up in price the vintage matters more and the quality swing is greater.
Why, are you going to a blind tasting party? If you are, let me know how it does.
ParticipantI am not exactly sure because the $15-$20 stuff doesn’t really hold back very long, usually it’s about two years old when it hits the shelf at those prices. It was December 2007 when I first had it, so maybe a 2005 + or – one year?? more than likely you can only get 07’s right now, it’s not the kind of stuff that gets held by dealers or is designed to age. I’ve had some recently, still to my liking but not as good as when I first had it, but that happens with more things than just wine. In that price point, wines are triangle tasted and blended to match prior vintages pretty closely, as you go up in price the vintage matters more and the quality swing is greater.
Why, are you going to a blind tasting party? If you are, let me know how it does.
Participantplnrboy, I assure you, you are not alone in your disdain for Norv. This will mark my third season on this site hijacking threads with allan and SD, to discuss football and I feel it is like dejavu all over again that my ire is still directed at the same guy.
Some gems from 2007 and 2008, take special notice of the dates as some threads span two seasons and they are eerily topical, as if they could have been written yesterday.
http://piggington.com/two_things_i_learned_this_weekend#comment-49084
http://piggington.com/well_off_topic_chargers_recap
Just do a search for the word “norv” and you will see that many of us have been diagnosed with norv turner rage for going on three years.
Allan, SD is right, oakland’s O and D line are superb, if they ever get a quarterback and/or a new owner, you can have your glory days back. I like their new coach, he was a lineman and puts emphasis on the line as his starting point for rebuilding, I wonder what the over/under is on Al firing him. Until then, just enjoy singletary, I know i do, not that I am a big fan of that team but I like to root for them because it fills a void in my life, that void is the feeling of confidence in a leader, something we chargers fans have but a distant memory of. With jamal out and olshansky in dallas (doing a fine job btw) the d line sucks, injuries in week one took out 40% of the O line, I’m readying my throwing arm and eyeing the towel. They usually start slow, so this is almost expected, plus Baltimore is the real deal. But even if they make the playoffs, I dont trust norv. Norv is like tequilla, if every time you drink it, you are happy for a little while and then vomit, it gets harder and harder to try it again, to the point that even the smell makes you want to vomit. Knowing what it is like to be a Cubs fan was not on my christmas list, yet it keeps showing up under the tree.
There are 35 days and 21 hours until the start of the NBA season, I’ll miss Ariza but am excited to see how Artest blends in.
David Stern and Dr. Buss would like to thank norv turner, he is at the helm of the only pro football team in driving range of 20 million people and no player in purple and gold can be credited with bringing in more fans than Norv.
Participantplnrboy, I assure you, you are not alone in your disdain for Norv. This will mark my third season on this site hijacking threads with allan and SD, to discuss football and I feel it is like dejavu all over again that my ire is still directed at the same guy.
Some gems from 2007 and 2008, take special notice of the dates as some threads span two seasons and they are eerily topical, as if they could have been written yesterday.
http://piggington.com/two_things_i_learned_this_weekend#comment-49084
http://piggington.com/well_off_topic_chargers_recap
Just do a search for the word “norv” and you will see that many of us have been diagnosed with norv turner rage for going on three years.
Allan, SD is right, oakland’s O and D line are superb, if they ever get a quarterback and/or a new owner, you can have your glory days back. I like their new coach, he was a lineman and puts emphasis on the line as his starting point for rebuilding, I wonder what the over/under is on Al firing him. Until then, just enjoy singletary, I know i do, not that I am a big fan of that team but I like to root for them because it fills a void in my life, that void is the feeling of confidence in a leader, something we chargers fans have but a distant memory of. With jamal out and olshansky in dallas (doing a fine job btw) the d line sucks, injuries in week one took out 40% of the O line, I’m readying my throwing arm and eyeing the towel. They usually start slow, so this is almost expected, plus Baltimore is the real deal. But even if they make the playoffs, I dont trust norv. Norv is like tequilla, if every time you drink it, you are happy for a little while and then vomit, it gets harder and harder to try it again, to the point that even the smell makes you want to vomit. Knowing what it is like to be a Cubs fan was not on my christmas list, yet it keeps showing up under the tree.
There are 35 days and 21 hours until the start of the NBA season, I’ll miss Ariza but am excited to see how Artest blends in.
David Stern and Dr. Buss would like to thank norv turner, he is at the helm of the only pro football team in driving range of 20 million people and no player in purple and gold can be credited with bringing in more fans than Norv.
Participantplnrboy, I assure you, you are not alone in your disdain for Norv. This will mark my third season on this site hijacking threads with allan and SD, to discuss football and I feel it is like dejavu all over again that my ire is still directed at the same guy.
Some gems from 2007 and 2008, take special notice of the dates as some threads span two seasons and they are eerily topical, as if they could have been written yesterday.
http://piggington.com/two_things_i_learned_this_weekend#comment-49084
http://piggington.com/well_off_topic_chargers_recap
Just do a search for the word “norv” and you will see that many of us have been diagnosed with norv turner rage for going on three years.
Allan, SD is right, oakland’s O and D line are superb, if they ever get a quarterback and/or a new owner, you can have your glory days back. I like their new coach, he was a lineman and puts emphasis on the line as his starting point for rebuilding, I wonder what the over/under is on Al firing him. Until then, just enjoy singletary, I know i do, not that I am a big fan of that team but I like to root for them because it fills a void in my life, that void is the feeling of confidence in a leader, something we chargers fans have but a distant memory of. With jamal out and olshansky in dallas (doing a fine job btw) the d line sucks, injuries in week one took out 40% of the O line, I’m readying my throwing arm and eyeing the towel. They usually start slow, so this is almost expected, plus Baltimore is the real deal. But even if they make the playoffs, I dont trust norv. Norv is like tequilla, if every time you drink it, you are happy for a little while and then vomit, it gets harder and harder to try it again, to the point that even the smell makes you want to vomit. Knowing what it is like to be a Cubs fan was not on my christmas list, yet it keeps showing up under the tree.
There are 35 days and 21 hours until the start of the NBA season, I’ll miss Ariza but am excited to see how Artest blends in.
David Stern and Dr. Buss would like to thank norv turner, he is at the helm of the only pro football team in driving range of 20 million people and no player in purple and gold can be credited with bringing in more fans than Norv.
Participantplnrboy, I assure you, you are not alone in your disdain for Norv. This will mark my third season on this site hijacking threads with allan and SD, to discuss football and I feel it is like dejavu all over again that my ire is still directed at the same guy.
Some gems from 2007 and 2008, take special notice of the dates as some threads span two seasons and they are eerily topical, as if they could have been written yesterday.
http://piggington.com/two_things_i_learned_this_weekend#comment-49084
http://piggington.com/well_off_topic_chargers_recap
Just do a search for the word “norv” and you will see that many of us have been diagnosed with norv turner rage for going on three years.
Allan, SD is right, oakland’s O and D line are superb, if they ever get a quarterback and/or a new owner, you can have your glory days back. I like their new coach, he was a lineman and puts emphasis on the line as his starting point for rebuilding, I wonder what the over/under is on Al firing him. Until then, just enjoy singletary, I know i do, not that I am a big fan of that team but I like to root for them because it fills a void in my life, that void is the feeling of confidence in a leader, something we chargers fans have but a distant memory of. With jamal out and olshansky in dallas (doing a fine job btw) the d line sucks, injuries in week one took out 40% of the O line, I’m readying my throwing arm and eyeing the towel. They usually start slow, so this is almost expected, plus Baltimore is the real deal. But even if they make the playoffs, I dont trust norv. Norv is like tequilla, if every time you drink it, you are happy for a little while and then vomit, it gets harder and harder to try it again, to the point that even the smell makes you want to vomit. Knowing what it is like to be a Cubs fan was not on my christmas list, yet it keeps showing up under the tree.
There are 35 days and 21 hours until the start of the NBA season, I’ll miss Ariza but am excited to see how Artest blends in.
David Stern and Dr. Buss would like to thank norv turner, he is at the helm of the only pro football team in driving range of 20 million people and no player in purple and gold can be credited with bringing in more fans than Norv.
Participantplnrboy, I assure you, you are not alone in your disdain for Norv. This will mark my third season on this site hijacking threads with allan and SD, to discuss football and I feel it is like dejavu all over again that my ire is still directed at the same guy.
Some gems from 2007 and 2008, take special notice of the dates as some threads span two seasons and they are eerily topical, as if they could have been written yesterday.
http://piggington.com/two_things_i_learned_this_weekend#comment-49084
http://piggington.com/well_off_topic_chargers_recap
Just do a search for the word “norv” and you will see that many of us have been diagnosed with norv turner rage for going on three years.
Allan, SD is right, oakland’s O and D line are superb, if they ever get a quarterback and/or a new owner, you can have your glory days back. I like their new coach, he was a lineman and puts emphasis on the line as his starting point for rebuilding, I wonder what the over/under is on Al firing him. Until then, just enjoy singletary, I know i do, not that I am a big fan of that team but I like to root for them because it fills a void in my life, that void is the feeling of confidence in a leader, something we chargers fans have but a distant memory of. With jamal out and olshansky in dallas (doing a fine job btw) the d line sucks, injuries in week one took out 40% of the O line, I’m readying my throwing arm and eyeing the towel. They usually start slow, so this is almost expected, plus Baltimore is the real deal. But even if they make the playoffs, I dont trust norv. Norv is like tequilla, if every time you drink it, you are happy for a little while and then vomit, it gets harder and harder to try it again, to the point that even the smell makes you want to vomit. Knowing what it is like to be a Cubs fan was not on my christmas list, yet it keeps showing up under the tree.
There are 35 days and 21 hours until the start of the NBA season, I’ll miss Ariza but am excited to see how Artest blends in.
David Stern and Dr. Buss would like to thank norv turner, he is at the helm of the only pro football team in driving range of 20 million people and no player in purple and gold can be credited with bringing in more fans than Norv.
Participantchris scoreboard said it was a bubble a while back, I believed him then. Still, at today’s price, even it hits 5000 in six months, it will profit less than automaker and homebuilder stocks have this year so far (ford $1 to $7 and hovnanian homes 50 cents to 4.50, both in under six months) so running into burning buildings still pays more than being trendy.
Participantchris scoreboard said it was a bubble a while back, I believed him then. Still, at today’s price, even it hits 5000 in six months, it will profit less than automaker and homebuilder stocks have this year so far (ford $1 to $7 and hovnanian homes 50 cents to 4.50, both in under six months) so running into burning buildings still pays more than being trendy.
Participantchris scoreboard said it was a bubble a while back, I believed him then. Still, at today’s price, even it hits 5000 in six months, it will profit less than automaker and homebuilder stocks have this year so far (ford $1 to $7 and hovnanian homes 50 cents to 4.50, both in under six months) so running into burning buildings still pays more than being trendy.
Participantchris scoreboard said it was a bubble a while back, I believed him then. Still, at today’s price, even it hits 5000 in six months, it will profit less than automaker and homebuilder stocks have this year so far (ford $1 to $7 and hovnanian homes 50 cents to 4.50, both in under six months) so running into burning buildings still pays more than being trendy.
Participantchris scoreboard said it was a bubble a while back, I believed him then. Still, at today’s price, even it hits 5000 in six months, it will profit less than automaker and homebuilder stocks have this year so far (ford $1 to $7 and hovnanian homes 50 cents to 4.50, both in under six months) so running into burning buildings still pays more than being trendy.
ParticipantI have to admit, I had never read Jim Grant or made a mental note of him if I had. Thanks for posting it, right or wrong, I really like his writing style. Authors of that quality are rare in such dry subjects, the blend of history, historical references, philosiphy of balance, the guy writes like a Taoist, I loved it. Thanks davelj
The problem is the topic, by writing an opinion somewhat against the grain, many readers will ignore the style because they disagree with the content. I did like the overiding theme, that value sells and pendulums swing but skies don’t fall.
The whole thing reminded me of a poem/story about overeacting to every incident in a vacuum, that events are not always what they appear to be, that there is opportunity in bad fortune and risk in good fortune.
http://www.inspirationpeak.com/cgi-bin/stories.cgi?record=31
Like Econprof, I find it hard to disagree with him, it’s a a cogent argument, albeit a big picture view. I do think, that regardless of the size or speed of the recovery, if it even arrives at all, we as a people will be slightly different, slightly more frugal, having experienced the depression of our generation. I’m not so sure that’s a bad thing.
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