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[quote=Coronita][quote=sdduuuude][quote=Coronita]I would be undocumented….I didn’t bring any ID prior to picking up a check.[/quote]

I didn’t even think of that. Wow. How do you document that you are undocumented ?

Cali: What is your name:
Me: Vladmir Wang Rodriguez
Cali: Hm. We have no record of you. Here is your $500.

Maybe Barnaby should ask for Mortgage Forbearance and this![/quote]

*Ask for $500 EACH time until they run out of money.

*Then ask the accessor’s office for a deferral of tax payments saying you have no money.

*Then ask the banks for a mortgage forbearance.

*Don’t forget to call SDGE, San Diego Water, and your cell phone company, and say you can’t pay your next 3 months bill, and ask for a deferral.

*Top it off by buying a bunch of trees and shrubs at home depot. Plant the news ones, dig up your old ones and return your old ones as the new ones.

*Lunchtime: go to Costco and buy a pizza and free drink, and eat everything except the last slice. Then complain “this isn’t a pepperoni pizza, a pepperoni pizza has 5 pepperonis, not 4…” and get a refund on the entire pizza. Don’t forget finish the last piece (like last time some lady in front of me did). Don’t forget when you go back to costco, to bring back your cup and get a free drink refill.

Hey, maybe we are onto something. We can write a “Freeloading for Dummies” book, lol.

Hey man, not many people can top me when if it really comes down to working/abusing the system. It’s in my culture and blood![/quote]

Theres a famous miles Davis tune called FREDDIE THE FREELOADER. Was just wondering where the title originated:

“According to the documentary Kind of Blue: Made in Heaven, and an anecdote from the jazz pianist Monty Alexander, the song was named after an individual named Freddie who would frequently try to see the music Davis and others performed without paying (thus freeloading).[1][3] The name may have also been inspired by Red Skelton’s most famous character, “Freddie the Freeloader” the hobo clown.[1][2]

Huh.

Miggt be too much effort to really freeload

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Program does not give directly.

Gives to community leaders who dole it out.

Hmmm…

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It seems politically dumb.

I could see like free canned goods if you’re starving. B ut $ seems ridiculous. Which voting bloc is in favor of this

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definitely not an “ethical dilemma”

“Ethical dilemmas, also known as a moral dilemmas, are situations in which there is a choice to be made between two options, neither of which resolves the situation in an ethically acceptable fashion.”

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Bad things happen to good people.

Good things happen to bad people.

In about equal measure.

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[quote=Coronita]In addition to the ethical dilemma of lying and saying you are going through an economic hardship when you really aren’t, I don’t think the banks simply just give it to you. My understanding is you need to actually provide proof of an economic hardship in order to qualify (IE proof of unemployment, reduced earnings etc)… Even the county’s assessor’s office allows you to apply for a penalty waiver, but you also need to provide proof of an economic hardship.

Second, my understanding is the loan amount you don’t pay simply gets tacked on the end of your loan, and during that time I believe interest is still be charged. I could be wrong about that. Also, unless they changed the terms, some of the loans don’t allow you to tack on the missed payments at the end of the loan. They are due in full after the 3 months.

I generally don’t try to play this sort of game. Maybe because I’m superstitious, but I just think that if you pretend to be going through an economic hardship in order to take advantage of a situation, it always has a mysterious way of coming back and biting you in the ass in some weird way.[/quote]

Trump fucked over 1000s of small contractors [Including my moms buddies husband, a roofer trump just flat out stiffed and sent into bankruptcy!] by not paying and no karmic retribution yet for trump.
And anything short of imprisonment for him and all his kin I’d say will fall short, karmically.

. I’d say its just generally not true that we get bad things directly happen to us when we do bad.

But there are other reasons not to scam the system regardless of whether it helps or hurts u.

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Thnx for tips. I’m going to stick w heating pad because it feels so good. I’ve made it a long ways with no injuries, 57 years.

No athletics in hs or college may be better in the long run, for some

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[quote=sdduuuude][quote=outtamojo][quote=gogogosandiego]Tomorrow in KY when idiots go to Church and don’t maintain social distancing etc their license plate # will be written down and they will be required to self quarantine for 14 days.

Should get fun if they don’t.

Regardless, none of this is tyranny.[/quote]

I always find it ironic that none of the major religions have anything resembling a bill of rights or protection against arbitrary judgement.[/quote]

Interesting thought. Participation in the religion is 100% voluntary so the only thing you would be “protected” from is shame within the organization, not from any real rights violation like incarceration.[/quote]

Some sects are tough to escape.

UNORTHODOX on netflix was fun.

but yeah theoretically you c as n leave anytime. Sort of.

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[quote=outtamojo][quote=gogogosandiego]Tomorrow in KY when idiots go to Church and don’t maintain social distancing etc their license plate # will be written down and they will be required to self quarantine for 14 days.

Should get fun if they don’t.

Regardless, none of this is tyranny.[/quote]

I always find it ironic that none of the major religions have anything resembling a bill of rights or protection against arbitrary judgement.[/quote]

No right to a jury either, just one crazy ass judge whose final judgment is final.

A judge so wacked out he killed everyone earth except for noah and buds because they were not acting ad he liked.

A judge so wacked out he tortured Job for sport over a bet with the devil.

A judge so wacked out he thought it would be best to have a child and the kill him on a cross.

Nope, i move to recuse this judge. I’m take a different one

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This is just a soft electric blanket type

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[quote=sjk]War is coming pigg’s….

https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-created-the-ccp-virus-documentary-exposes-pandemic-origins_3305798.html

“One important thing to understand is they talk about war without morals. They talk about ‘unrestricted warfare’: war that does not take into account any concept of human rights, human dignity, human life. It is victory by any means. There is nothing they will not do, and we see the same thing in many parts of their system, including the medical system where altering the human genome is not a big deal to them,” Philipp said.[/quote]

Pot meet kettle

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It does make one wonder if there could be a better way

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All I’m saying is that there are always exceptions to rules, and that the meaning of the constitution ultimately isnt what you or what I or the Congress or the Senate or the president thinks it should be, but what the us supreme court says it is.

Even if the supreme court opinion is idiotic, or disingenuous, or some Scalia Jedi level bullshit, by the very nature of the rules of the game, ever since Marbury v. Madison, the court opinion defines what the constitution means.

Not what the plain text says. What the court says it means.

I dont know much more than you, except that at least I’m aware I dont know.

I would never say, HOW COULD IT NOT VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION without doing a few dozen hours of research reading cases.

For instance…

It would SEEM like you couldnt round up members of one ethnic group and lock them up without running afoul of the constitution, right?

That’s gotta violate a whole bunch of stuff in the constitution.

I mean, HOW COULD IT NOT violate the constit.? Definitely doesnt sound kosher.

Well, read Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214 (1944).

i think it’s still good [meaning not overruled, not morally good] law.

The govt has in the past, and may permissibly tomorrow,

round up members of one ethnic group,

lock them up,,

no problem,

no constitutional violation,

under the right circs.

Even if you or I think it’s wrong, shameful, obviously unconstitutional, our opinion is irrelevant.

The constitution means what the us sup. Ct says it means. Because that is the way the legal system works.

See Marbury v. Madison.

Just because you have a copy of the 1st am and you or I have read it DOES NOT mean you or I understand anything.

I am not a Great Reader of constitutional cases.

But I am a reader.

And the meaning of the constitution is in the interpretation, not in the text of the document.

So, you may be right.

Maybe these laws restricting assembly will ultimately be found by the us supreme court to violate the constit.

But maybe not.

Personally, I have no fucking idea what the supreme court will do anymore.

Definitely do not bet $$ on any outcome as a sure thing.

And I dont care how serious you are about “freedom”, zoning laws are definitely constitutional. That’s well settled.

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[quote=sdduuuude][quote=gogogosandiego]Theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this.

I posted 2 examples where the government has determined that there are limitations on First Amendment Rights.[/quote]

No, you didn’t. First ammendment rights don’t extend to how private property owners treat people on their own property. The government must follow the first ammendment at all times. Private property owners can restrict speech and behavior all they want on their own property.

So I agree, theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this, yet those are the examples you cited.

Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a violation of the property owner’s rights to maintain their theater the way they want.

Government does not require licenses for people to assemble on private property, especially church property.[/quote]

Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is not 1st am protected, even if the property owner herself does the yelling. Jeez louise.

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Anyway, most people, including and esp. The dumbshit president, are like this guy when it comes to the us constitution

https://www.theonion.com/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-consti-1819571149

I would say if you have not read at least 100 us supreme court cases analyzing constitutional issues and discussed them in depth with a legal scholar, your opinion on the constitution is worthless.

I’ve read a lot more than that and I’d say my opinion is also worthless.

And the more strong or certain the opinion is, the more worthless it is, for sure.

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/criminal/the-right-to-gather-has-some-restrictions.html

And if the govt cant restrict anything you do on your “private property”, try turning your abode into a strip club.

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