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[quote=briansd1]What kind of documentation other than your group as witnesses If you were born on a wagon trail to the wild frontier of Eastern Tennessee?

What about the kids who were held captive in their parents’ basement?

Anyway, the supreme court ruled that AZ is wrong. Time to move on.[/quote]
I think you’re really reaching, to the point of illogic here. You have gone back too far in time to a situation that is not comparable. You are also comparing folks born “on the range” in no country, with folks who likely have a birth certificate from a different country.

Even back in the Ellis Island days there was certainly documentation and an admission process.

It seems you (and others) are willing to sacrifice the rule of law in order to achieve your personal social/demographic objectives, and you’re also willing to obfuscate a bit about it.

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[quote=briansd1]
We easily have enough room in America for a population of 1 billion.[/quote]
I think that would be appalling.

It is not like the growth would be evenly distributed across our landmass. Using current trends as a guide, these folks would flock to the cities, a large percentage to cities on the coasts.

Do you think San Diego (or New York) is ready to handle a doubling or tripling of their population? Are the services ready? The roads, schools, sewers? Water?

What would the quality of life be like? I know Brian you are an advocate for high density vertical noisy downtown living, but not everyone shares your enamoration with that lifestyle.

Would we notice if the population density in San Diego doubled or tripled? How you be likin’ da 5-805 Merge now? It’s not like that would be an easy thing to fix.

You are right we demographically will need workers. Is it too much to ask that they come in nicely and let us know who they are?

Brian you often cite the Euros as some exemplar of refinement superior to us. Well, when I was on a train from Switzerland to Paris, once we were in French territory we were literally approached by French immigration authorities on the train who literally said “Papers please”. Is that ok for the French but not for us?

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I remember Rossi 210’s and Tyrolia and Marker bindings.

Things have changed a lot since then with shaped skis…

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[quote=SK in CV]Though I’ve never had foie gras. I suspect it’s pretty tasty.[/quote]
It’s unbelievably tasty. Agree with SDR about Sauterne pairing.

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[quote=fat_lazy_union]
Some of the afford mentioned characters on piggington should get together and pool the userids…every so often, we should just trade the id’s and continue posting the way we do..
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Actually, if you use someone else’s id it might be interesting to try to post from their perspective, in their style. Could be illuminating for all involved…

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Isn’t it true though that the most passionate discussions on this board involve politics (or Jeff Bridges)?

In scaredy style: Passion is good.

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[quote=sdduuuude]Of all the tourist things I have ever done, The Seattle Undergound tour is one of the best values ever. Hilarious and well-priced. Almost as good as The Cosmos of the Black Hills.

I like spending time on the water. Definitely a ferry across to Victoria or one of the other islands. There isn’t a heck of a lot to do, but I would do it just for the boat-ride. The kids will like driving the car onto the boat.

There is a national park across the way, though it is one of the less interesting ones.

Go see a Seattle Sounders game if the kids are into soccer at all. It is the loudest, most exuberant soccer environment in the US.

Eat crab and Salmon.

Pikes Place market is a must-see. Something for everyone there. I like the place with the tiny little doughnut maker, if they are still there. I could watch it for hours.

I think they have a children’s museum there, or a science center or something like that. We were in a rush so we popped in and out but I think it was pretty cool.[/quote]
I second the ferry. Go over to Bainbridge island say.
Also Pike’s Place. Watch them throw the fish! 🙂

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I like this thread, Essbee.

There are some locations on the various canyons of Clairemont that can be pretty nice actually. View, nature, terrain, animals, etc.

Not sure if that is enough to prevent it from becoming a slum…

It’s really an interesting question, how neighborhoods evolve/devolve over time and why.

For example, USC was in a very nice neighborhood when it was founded. Mount St. Mary’s, just North, at that time was a haven of Vanderbilt’s, Carnegie’s, etc. There were the Rose Gardens. Some of those old homes remain and they are AMAZING.

Not sure what started the decline there. I’m sure the Coliseum and Sports Arena didn’t help, but the decay probably started much earlier. Maybe the freeways? Rich flight?

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Well,, I’m in an ocean/rock view room in Carmel tonight. Yes, you have to pay for that. Supply and demand is reality.

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I searched for “Rodney King Federal Trial” and came up with this link, which was pretty interesting I thought:
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lapd/lapdaccount.html

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I really think you are wrong pri_dk.

Note the two passengers that got out of the car and submitted were not struck. One claimed that he looked up in violation of the police’s orders and his face was pushed into dirt briefly, but that was it.

Of the 23 officers there, only 4 were indicted, and only 2 of those convicted. One of those was Stacey Koon (sp?). He was the sergeant on the scene. He administered – wait for it… ZERO blows. He was convicted because he didn’t control the situation. I’m going from memory a bit here…

Another interesting thing I learned from the report of the independent (highly LAPD critical) report: many of the officers at the beginning of that shift had just coincidentally attended a training session on baton use. Do you think that had an impact on their baton use? Not saying it’s right, but it’s interesting.

Another interesting point: at one point King reached around to the back of his waistband. As you know there have been *many* cases where an action like that would have result in him being fatally shot. So some restraint (hard as it may be for you to believe) was actually employed by the police.

King was on probation at the time, which is why he did not want to pull over. The officers almost certainly knew this, and that probably had an impact on their threat evaluation.

King did not submit. You put up a false narrative.

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Does anyone know the age of Trayvon in the photo we always see?

is he 17 in that photo? Is there no more-current photo of him?

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[quote=svelte][quote=CA renter]
(wrt Rodney King)
…Under no circumstances was the coverage of that case balanced in any way. While I agree that there are horrific cases of unjustifiable police brutality, this was not one of them, IMHO.
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From Wikipedia:

After the riots, the United States Department of Justice reinstated the investigation and obtained an indictment of violations of federal civil rights against the four officers. The federal trial focused more on the evidence as to the training of officers instead of just relying on the videotape of the incident… The jury found Officer Laurence Powell and Sergeant Stacey Koon guilty, and they were subsequently sentenced to 30 months in prison, while Timothy Wind and Theodore Briseño were acquitted of all charges.

In other words, CA Renter, you are saying the conviction of the police in court was wrong.

And while I absolutely agree that the rioters should be held accountable also, law officers are granted special status and protection under the law (as they should) and with that comes a higher standard for their behavior.[/quote]

Svelte, I read the Wikipedia entry this morning in its entirety. I also skimmed the report of the independent commission (which was highly critical of LAPD). I have to say you pulled quite selectively from the wikipedia page in order to make your point.
You left out:
– King was traveling between 90 and 117 MPH westbound on the 210
– King then drove between 50 and 80 MPH on residential streets while his passengers asked him to slow down.
– King’s BAC was 0.07% 2.5 *hours* after his arrest
– King’s two passengers exited the vehicle, complied with officers instructions, laid spreadeagle on the ground, and were released that night without incident.
– King continued to get up after being Tased. Imagine your concern as an officer. What would YOU do? Should an officer have to risk injury to deal with this person and his poor, endangering decisions?
– There were 23 officers at the scene. 4 were indicted in the federal case. 2 were convicted.

On a separate but related note: the morons who threw bricks on Reginald Denny’s head at Florence and Normandy didn’t even know about the King verdict. Their parents still defended them though, with signs calling them “the Denny Six” as if they had suffered some injustice.

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[quote=svelte]
…but once a person is in submission, the beating should not continue. Secure him and haul him in. End of story.[/quote]
King did not submit. Watch the tape (not to mention what you *can’t* see on the tape). They tell him to stay down and still so they can handcuff him and he *keeps* getting up, multiple times.

I don’t support police administering a beating for “contempt of cop” or due to their own adrenaline or lack of professionalism or ego or cruelty or bravado.

But what I recall seeing on the tape is that King does NOT follow their instructions.

Multiple taser strikes might have helped, but if King died due to that there would be those who would wail in outrage.

Bottom line, if King didn’t do what he did in the hours/minutes preceding the incident, the incident would not have occurred.

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Niiice.

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