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ParticipantCA has a strong hand on recreation, one of the strongest. The mountains are the best in the world and largely empty if you avoid quota driven trailheads. But everything else’s about CA blows. The cities are really just poorly developed suburbs as far as the eye can see (unless you have a million bucks to spend on a home or a job where you can remote in). The people are far more image conscious than else where (where else do you find rental apartments with beamers in every stall). The roads and traffic are worse than anywhere I have been. And despite what you have heard, the pay is no better than anywhere else. The government is inefficient and injurious (people here in mn complain about a 20 min DMV line:). Basically California is amazing inspite of the man made.
I will hopefully move back, but only if I can count myself in the upper middle class and can work from home most days, otherwise, I shake the dust from the tires of my well worn crv. 213k miles and counting, hummed like a top the whole way.
Oh, and I am biking in tomorrow, high of 70 baby. Signing up for the birki soon, MN how I missed thee.
ParticipantOne more thought, we are getting our San Diego native friends ( best friends) to move with us most likely. I will know more in the coming months, but it looks like they are transplanting too. There goes another taxpayer. CA, you are losing the productive class!
ParticipantWe went to a few open houses today, and man am I excited. We went to the best church I have been to in years, I love the disposition of these people, It was the most perfect fall day with amazing fall leaves in full bloom. I love this city. Great culture in every way!!
I am home, and I couldn’t be happier.
But with that said, I still intend to start a consulting business in 7-10 years in San luis obispo, the greatest town on gods green earth!
ParticipantWe went to a few open houses today, and man am I excited. We went to the best church I have been to in years, I love the disposition of these people, It was the most perfect fall day with amazing fall leaves in full bloom. I love this city. Great culture in every way!!
I am home, and I couldn’t be happier.
But with that said, I still intend to start a consulting business in 7-10 years in San luis obispo, the greatest town on gods green earth!
ParticipantI just did 🙂
There goes my families ample tax revenue.
ParticipantMineral king is amazing, despite the awful road, worst in the Sierra; my friend once puked while driving it. It is insane, and death defying given the drivers.
But the mountains there are amazing especially from the west side. The only better west side trail head is kaiser pass rd.
ParticipantIt is random that you mentioned Bass Lake. I feel like that area is not well known. Have you headed up to shuteye ridge or minaret road? If you drive up minaret road an hour or so, you will see you one of the most spectacular canyons in the Sierra. The kayakers call it the crucible where the south and the North fork of the San Joaquin meet. The run is known as devils post pile because it begins in Mammoth at Devils post national Monument. it is one of the best runs in the world. They also call it the crucible because it is walled in with thousand foot walls of perfect granite. Balloon dome is right there and it is famous among climbers for being one of the biggest walls in the Sierra, but the approach is miserable, 3k ft. The Southern Yosemite area is one of the best places in the Sierra just above Bass Lake, Because it is so untouched by most people.
I will miss it, but I have a ticket booked for the end of November! I think we will do a climbing trip to Yosemite!!!!
ParticipantStarbucks and caribou, it’s all the same.
We are sadly moving into the first floor of may parents house. It is a nice 800 sq foot flat, but very demeaning to live with my parents. Once my wife knows where she is going to work we will probably buy unless she needs an escape route, then we will rent.
I love st anthony, and I dream of living on Nicollet island (it has an interesting history and it feels like walking back in time, but the schools kind of stink. For you Minneapolis knowledgeable, we are probably shooting for southwest or excelsior and deephaven depending on how the job for my wife works out. If we are making bocu bucks I would love to live in kenwood.
I love the urban lakes and south minneapolis ( its where i gre up), but I will be joining the Minnetonka yatch club to race ynglings in the summer so western suburbs are okay too.
If it weren’t for the sierras, I would be so happy, man I love the ” mountains of light.”
ParticipantI think alpine skiing will be off the menu…
http://img3.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/1/media/images/Buck_Hill_3.jpg
Can you believe a few Olympians have come from that bunny hill?
ParticipantDouble, thanks for you kind words and reply. I grew up in MN and moved out for college over a decade ago, so I know a bit about what I am getting into. I am sure over the years I have grown soft though. My wife on the other hand was born and raised in Orange Co, so it could be interesting to see how she adapts. Jumper cables, hats, gloves, and a sleeping bag have always been standard issue in MN. I think Mdot checks you at the border 🙂
We have a family cabin I grew up in just across the St. Croix in wisconsin, and that is a big reason why I am giving up the mountains. I can not picture kids growing up without water skiing, snow forts and sledding.
I really hate the 55mph thing I must say. It is crazy, but at least the town isn’t so hard to drive from one end to the other. Its not compressed laterally like SD, so it is more compact. It is the same size in terms of population, but a lot easier to get around.
We didn’t for taxes, although I would love to get a small government shot in here, but it is not the case. We did partially move because of a much more vibrant business community in things other than Defense and Tech. I have worked in defense and a bit of tech and I do not like them. I looked for better jobs in CA for years, and kept coming up blank. In Minnesota where my network was much weaker, it was easier to find good engineering work at comparable pay. The getting paid more on the coasts idea is largely a myth from my perspective.
edit: Thanks Econ, I didn’t realize you were from MN! Not the only pig to make the move it seems.
ParticipantI have met many many amazing people…heck I married one! We have many amazing friends, and it is tragic to be a plane ticket away.
It is not the individuals that get me down, it is the aggregate. But perhaps I am a grass is greener type, even when that grass is brown and covered with snow.
ParticipantAddendum: I can assure you all, if not for the home prices, financially irresponsible culture, and peacock mentality, we would be happy living out our days in N. co SD. Can you all do something about that?
But if you have ever surfed at Pipes you know, that the people who are supposed to be laid back are really just angry wishers (like everyone else, is that too harsh?).
We are headed to St. Anthony Main. Anyone know that neighborhood?
Onward!
ParticipantBy the way, I believe in charity (and participate in it to the detriment of my own financial well being, it hurts to say the least). But private charity engenders a sense of guilt. That guilt is necessary to wean oneself off of charity. Governmental charity does not engender that sense of shame. It engenders a sense of entitlement. No one wants poor people starving in the street, and our government policy should protect people from this. But too much Governmental charity engenders a sense of entitlement, which can be damaging to the long-term well-being of the recipient.
Why don’t we replace long-term unemployment with a CCC type employment. Is complacency more effective in buying votes then picking up a shovel for the government?
ParticipantCAR, I can understand some of your positions. And I potentially don’t disagree with them based on the way the policy is written. I am talking about the broader disincentives related to these policies. If the repercussions of good decisions by society are not reinforced, We will have less good decisions being made on the aggregate.
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