Leaving California!

[jstoesz]

I just did 🙂

There goes my families ample tax revenue.

[spdrun]

You could move to Somalia and not pay any tax. No pesky environmental laws either 🙂

[Ren]

All our friends and most of our family are in CA, and they are more important to us than money, so moving is a last-resort option (a great job offer isn’t enough). However, I hate the legislature, and I despise CARB, so if friends and family were out of the picture, we would likely escape to a small town in another state.

Part of me does feel trapped – but on the coast, the schools are good, it’s really not unreasonably expensive for a white collar professional to live modestly, and the weather is unbeatable. If this is prison, I can do life.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]Doing the right thing isn’t always cheapest. Deal with it.[/quote]
Right thing? hahah, that’s some funny stuff.

[spdrun]

Would you like to live in CA if CARB didn’t exist? Smog has gone waaay down since the 80s, in no small part due to stringent regulations. True, there’s a lot of unneeded bureaucracy, but I’ll take the bad with the good.

[ocrenter]

[img_assist|nid=16743|title=can you imagine if the pollutant level tripled since 1960s along with gasoline use|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=445|height=549]

[an]

[quote=spdrun]Would you like to live in CA if CARB didn’t exist? Smog has gone waaay down since the 80s, in no small part due to stringent regulations. True, there’s a lot of unneeded bureaucracy, but I’ll take the bad with the good.[/quote]
HELL YEAH I would. Did the other states with no CARB see their emission go way up?

[spdrun]

Yeah: some did see their pollution levels go up. And BTW, a lot of states that aren’t California follow CA emission standards for new cars, as well as having smog checks. Until we end up with all electric and/or hydrogen cars, smog bureaucracies are a necessary evil.

[Ren]

The problem with CARB is they are unnecessarily strict. Why should it be illegal to slap a bigger turbo on a motor if I can still pass a sniff test?

Edit: i.e., I should have as much right to power as a Corvette if the emissions are just as clean.

[ocrenter]

despite CARB, CA still occupy 9 of the top 10 cities on the worse smog list of the country. SD is actually #7 smoggiest of the country.

geography and climate and over-reliance on cars are to blame.

So what should we do if CARB is too strict? let loose since we’re going to have smog no matter what? what would be the alternative?

[an]

[quote=spdrun]Yeah: some did see their pollution levels go up. And BTW, a lot of states that aren’t California follow CA emission standards for new cars, as well as having smog checks. Until we end up with all electric and/or hydrogen cars, smog bureaucracies are a necessary evil.[/quote]
Which state? Why not all if CARB is so great and the other states doesn’t have CARB? CARB is MORE than just smog check. No, CARB is not a necessary evil. They’re just evil.

[an]

[quote=Ren]The problem with CARB is they are unnecessarily strict. Why should it be illegal to slap a bigger turbo on a motor if I can still pass a sniff test?

Edit: i.e., I should have as much right to power as a Corvette if the emissions are just as clean.[/quote]
+1, my point exactly. If it’s about keeping the air clean, then it shouldn’t matter if you slap a turbo on your car or install a bigger motor. In CA, you can slap a bigger motor and reregister your car as the car that the engine came from. However, you can’t slap a turbo on your current engine. Even if it’s actually cleaner to go the turbo route.

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]despite CARB, CA still occupy 9 of the top 10 cities on the worse smog list of the country. SD is actually #7 smoggiest of the country.

geography and climate and over-reliance on cars are to blame.

So what should we do if CARB is too strict? let loose since we’re going to have smog no matter what? what would be the alternative?[/quote]
We can ban cars. The smogs will go away. People will be more fit and lean. Win-win.

[The-Shoveler]

Sure ban cars, then only criminals (or worse the Gov) will have cars,
Visions of Mad Max come to mind,
Just kidding.

Really I love cars, suburbia and the whole California life style.
A thousand years from now, the people will look back in envy at our life styles.

[spdrun]

The turbo thing is annoying bureaucracy (probably dating from an earlier time, when mods had more of a chance of making a car dirtier). Agreed.

However, are you really going to choose where you live based on whether you can add a turbo to a car legally?!

I’d also argue that inspections in other states are much more rigorous, since they include a mechanical component. Brakes, ball-joints, rust, steering, etc. It’s amazing how many heaps you see running around CA that happen to have smog systems and engine in good order.

[Author]

Posts