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To be sure, those who contribute greatly to medical science should be compensated well…but how much is too much? At what point does the right of a company to profit (and the executives and investors there) trump the right of a human being to live?

All too often, it’s not the individual researchers who make most of the money on these things. If they work for a company, it’s the company and the investors who make the bulk of the money.[/quote]

“…but how much is too much?”

haha, your thievery is laid bare. That is a question you ask regarding lots of things huh? When can you take what someone else has because they have too much of it?

“At what point does the right of a company to profit (and the executives and investors there) trump the right of a human being to live?”

These two things do not have to be in conflict. I am sure many companies would love to sell FDA unapproved or off label prescriptions, but the governmentment has made it illegal to do such. And to bring drugs through the process costs billions of dollars (4 billion last I read). Let us reframe that last question…

“At what point does the general populaces desire for only and restricted to government sactioned medical products trump the right of a human being to live?”

To avoid the previous moral dilemma, you would prefer theft.

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If people got paid less for medical breakthroughs, would we have more or fewer innovations?

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Not generally for free…

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If there was not a healthy profit margin to cure conditions, the will be no cure. It is not really all that complicated. There are unethical business practices to be sure. The regulatory capture of the FDA to mention just one, but profits are the engine of invention. The regulations regarding medical development and how medical care is paid for are the real travesties of the whole sector.

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“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”
Adam Smith

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Sadly that is correct.

But oh how sweet it is.

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Personally, I wouldn’t mind living in one of these for a while either (although the wife might take it pretty hard).

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Flyer, that is not at all my experience. Laundry is available at the marina, like most apartment complexes. One has to maintain serious descipline in throwing out old stuff when new stuff is purchased, but a good habit to be in at any rate.

They are also not terribly expensive. For my parents it is considerably cheaper than a snowbird retreat apartment. And when I lived aboard it was cheaper rent than a one bedroom in a nice neighborhood, not to mention on the water.

Boats can be kept very clean, and I was always able to set sail in under 10 mins.

If you pay someone to do everything for you, you can rack up the bills, but most maintenance costs little to nothing. And my boat never ever stunk!

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OC and Sd are very different birds for wait lists. Long beach I believe is more similar to sd, but laguna, forgetaboutit!

My first marina was shelter cove coincidentaly enough. They initially quoted me a year wait list. But if you show up looking nice, polite, and you look like you pay your bills, you will find that wait lists for slips are not chronological, but a screening tool for deadbeats! In took 1.5 months to get a slip and live aboard, but it is a concern to be sure. Drop off enough applications and you will find this not to be the problem it seems on the face. if you are desperate in the short term, move to chula vista, because it’s not a problem.

One other thought, the 40 ft slip will usually take much bigger boats. I was in a 30 ft slip with a boat that measured over 36ft with bow roller and all.

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oh, and a 40ft trawler is a freaking ginormous boat. I love sailing, so i am partial to sailboats, but a 30ft trawler is a very comfortable living for a single guy. 34ft sailboat is cramped but enjoyable.

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Thoughts from personal experience.

I lived on a boat on Shelter Island (pt loma) from 2008-2010 and I wish it could have been much longer. I moved off because I got married and two people on my small sailboat is one too many (but many people do that too). I can honestly say that it was the best living experience of my life. I think it takes a certain breed of person to enjoy it though. You are living in an small RV, and not some sweet 5th wheeler kind. But marinas have great shower, laundry, and workout facilities. Many people live on boats for many years including happily married couples.

It was a great sailboat to live on a reasonably problem free. There is nothing like eating your breakfast in the morning sitting on the back of your boat looking out over pt loma with a coffee in your hand. Or looking at the hill of lights with a good beer. Falling asleep listening to the wind in the rigging and rocking ever so slightly. The quarters are cramped, but you have the whole bay to explore in your dingy, or if you want to live in Coronado for the weekend, just drop anchor at Glorietta bay and pretend you are on vacation (my wife and I loved that the most). If you have a long weekend head up to catalina and get away from the craziness in Avalon.

The cost breakdown was quite affordable. I purchased a $38k Catalina 34 from 1985. The Slip fees were $500 a month, another $150 for the liveaboard allowance, and 30 bucks a month for bottom cleanings. If you do the maintenance yourself, expect to pay 1-3k a year in repairs for a sailboat of my vintage and quality, cheaper if you do most things yourself but lots more if you farm it all out to contractors. Needless to say, that is the cheapest one can live anywhere near the ocean, let alone an inch away. Make no mistake if something serious is wrong, or you buy a total lemon, you could blow a lot of money. Not unlike a leaky roof or a broken furnace. But being handy and cheap helps keep the costs to a reasonable amount.

I transferred ownership of the boat to my parents because they wanted a winter escape in sunny SD. The boat market for this model is still what I paid for it, and I think we could get a bit more because of the work that we have put in. And with a sailboat gas is cheap. I think I put about 30 gal in a year, and we went out at least once a week, plus another ~30 gallons to go to Catalina and back.

I will be moving back to a boat one day, perhaps not until I am much older and a family is through the pipes, but it will happen.

I have lots of other thoughts to share on the pros and cons, so hit me up if you are seriously interested. Your inquiry is probably not serious, but I loved the experience so much I felt compelled to share.

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Laws are laws. They should apply equally without prejudice. Beating a gay, straight, black, or white senseless without cause should mean the same damn sentence. You don’t beat someone to a a pulp without hate. It is not complicated! Everyone who commits this type of crime has hate…

The concept of hate crimes is insane!

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