Leaving California!

[an]

[quote=spdrun]However, are you really going to choose where you live based on whether you can add a turbo to a car legally?! [/quote]
No, I wouldn’t leave CA because of CARB. But that doesn’t mean I like the idea of CARB. I don’t mind smogging my car. I also don’t mind having a requirement that force cars on the road to be safe (brakes, suspensions, etc). But that’s not the point. However, CARB is more than smogging.

So, I’ll reiterate my answers to your original question:
[quote=spdrun]Would you like to live in CA if CARB didn’t exist? [/quote] Hell yeah I would like to live in CA if CARB didn’t exist. I never said I would leave CA because CARB exist, but I would love it more living here if CARB goes away.

BTW, which state see the pollution goes up due to not having CARB like bureaucracy?

[Ren]

[quote=ocrenter]So what should we do if CARB is too strict? let loose since we’re going to have smog no matter what? what would be the alternative?[/quote]

There is a happy medium. Rules that aren’t unreasonable, that’s all. As they are now, CARB happily enacts rules that clean the air an immeasurably small amount, but also force a thousand small businesses out of state. (A number I pulled out of thin air, but you get the idea, and it’s not far from the truth.)

Besides, all some of these unreasonable rules do is inconvenience car enthusiasts – it doesn’t prevent them from modifying their cars, and the vast majority (like me) go unnoticed. Worst case, a cop or judge forces them to see a state referee, so they have to spend a weekend of wrenching to stock out before the appointment. Then it all goes back on.

[paulflorez]

You’re not just moving to Minnesota, but Minneapolis, which is a great city! Lots of art and culture, wonderful downtown and the people value good health. Residents value diversity rather than shunning it, which means you still have a decent variety of restaurants and little ethnic enclaves with special events. They even have a decent public transit system, including light rail to the Mall of America and right smack dab in the middle of MSP Airport. You literally walk only a few steps out of the station to get into the line for security check.

Minneapolis is much less of a culture shock for a CA to Midwest transplant than, say, Des Moines or Omaha. It feels in a way a lot like major cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, but without the huge populations and the problems that come with that. I had a Minneapolitan tell me once that some locals, proud of the very metropolitan life of their city, refer to it as the “Minne-Apple”. The biggest thing you will have to adjust to is the snow. I lived in Iowa for five years and just never could accept having to live in that kind of weather. You certainly learn how to drive/survive in it, the challenge is simply letting the PITA factor roll off your shoulders. Even natives struggle with it, and many definitely don’t like it, but they live with it. You will slip on ice and fall flat on your rear at least once every winter, it will hurt, some people might even giggle at you (moments before they fall themselves) and then you’ll pick yourself and move on.

Other than that it is a great city. If for some reason I had to move to Minneapolis or there was a huge reward for doing so, I wouldn’t put up much of a fight. But, I know that I would eventually have to move back to CA because it is just a better fit for me personally. If you hate California’s culture and love the weather, you probably won’t enjoy Minneapolis, but if you at least like the positive aspects of California’s culture, you should be fine in Minneapolis.

[Rhett]

Say hello to Marge and Norm for me. They’re good people, youbetcha.

[jstoesz]

We went to a few open houses today, and man am I excited. We went to the best church I have been to in years, I love the disposition of these people, It was the most perfect fall day with amazing fall leaves in full bloom. I love this city. Great culture in every way!!

I am home, and I couldn’t be happier.

But with that said, I still intend to start a consulting business in 7-10 years in San luis obispo, the greatest town on gods green earth!

[jstoesz]

We went to a few open houses today, and man am I excited. We went to the best church I have been to in years, I love the disposition of these people, It was the most perfect fall day with amazing fall leaves in full bloom. I love this city. Great culture in every way!!

I am home, and I couldn’t be happier.

But with that said, I still intend to start a consulting business in 7-10 years in San luis obispo, the greatest town on gods green earth!

[jstoesz]

One more thought, we are getting our San Diego native friends ( best friends) to move with us most likely. I will know more in the coming months, but it looks like they are transplanting too. There goes another taxpayer. CA, you are losing the productive class!

[spdrun]

(And 10 people moved to California in the time you took to write your rant. Productive people are often happy to pay a premium to live in the place that appeals to them.)

[svelte]

[quote=jstoesz]One more thought, we are getting our San Diego native friends ( best friends) to move with us most likely. I will know more in the coming months, but it looks like they are transplanting too. There goes another taxpayer. CA, you are losing the productive class![/quote]

You say this in the next breath after saying your plan is to move back to Cali in 10 years. ??

Look, I’ve lived many years in the midwest in several states, some as far north as MN. I distinctly remember the day when I said that’s it, I’m moving back to California. I did, I’ve stayed, and I don’t intend on spending any more of my days left on earth living outside of Calif.

Good luck in your new location. I hope you like it. Cuz that means one less person in Calif! Wasn’t it the Eagles who said “Call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye”

[ucodegen]

[quote=spdrun]The turbo thing is annoying bureaucracy (probably dating from an earlier time, when mods had more of a chance of making a car dirtier).[/quote]Actually it was bureaucratic ignorance that caused it. The politicians & Eco-heads took the approach that only the manufacturer knew how to make the vehicle run cleanest. This is why almost any modifications are considered ‘tampering with the emissions system’. The end result was that we had new US cars running open-loop carburetors in early-mid 1980’s while the imports were almost all fuel injected & closed-loop. It wasn’t for lack of know-how. The Chevy Corvette had a port fuel injection option in the 1950s. To some extent the emission people have grudgingly (but not openly) admitted that hot-rodders were right. Changing the ignition to higher voltages, using mag-wires instead of carbon suppression, and headers really do reduce emissions. Maybe it was brought on by emissions requirements that were tighter.. and imports using stock exhaust manifolds that look like headers– and easily passing the emissions requirements.

It should only be tailpipe.. the only under-hood should be to verify vapor recovery and PCV.

[EconProf]

[quote=spdrun](And 10 people moved to California in the time you took to write your rant. Productive people are often happy to pay a premium to live in the place that appeals to them.)[/quote]
Wrong.
The productive people are moving out–especially the young families, high earners, employers, etc. CA has had a NET outflow of 4 million to other states in recent years–sorry, can’t recall exactly how many years, but the 4 million figure has shown up in several articles. We only have a (slightly) growing population because of a high birth rate and foreign immigration, both of which could slow. Oh, and a big and growing welfare caseload because of our generous benefits–12% of the nation’s population and 34% of the welfare recipients.
Yes, we have great weather, but the demographic trends are ominous.

[spdrun]

High earners and employers = “moving out” in name only. Kind of like a lot of companies having their HQs in Delaware.

[EconProf]

[quote=spdrun]High earners and employers = “moving out” in name only. Kind of like a lot of companies having their HQs in Delaware.[/quote]
Yes, the corporate headquarters and the high up executives may be staying–they like the coastal lifestyle and weather, but the other 90% of the company–the production workers–are moving to other states. Those middle-class families are paying taxes elsewhere, which accounts for much of California’s fiscal problems, now and in the future. Our middle class is shrinking, while our very poor and very rich grow–not exactly healthy for civic involvement, educational attainment, faith in the future, etc. By the way, this is the exact opposite of Minnesota, which has a strong middle class as has been pointed out by the other posters here.

[ucodegen]

[quote=spdrun]High earners and employers = “moving out” in name only. Kind of like a lot of companies having their HQs in Delaware.[/quote]Adding to EconProf – the tax that the high earner/executives is based upon the % of income that they generate in California. If their primary base is outside of CA or overseas.. where they spend 80% of their time.. only 20% ‘may’ get taxed.

I also just had another run-in with the effects of CARB. I change my own oil and recycle. I was looking for a good container, the plastic POS(s) for sale, leak. I was looking toward good old fashioned Jerry Cans for used oil.. but it turns out they are illegal to sell in California because they don’t have an approved leak proof nozzle for fuel (leak prone more like it).

[flyer]

As far as where anyone lives for whatever reason, as long as you are living the life of your dreams, that’s all that matters. No need to
justify it–if you’re really happy.

Having lived many places, regardless of the problems in our “Golden State,” for us CA–and specifically San Diego–is the only place we want to be–but to each his own.

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