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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=The-Shoveler]The age of abundance.[/quote]

I agree. But that works only is if we find a way of spreading the abundance. No matter how cheap the goods are, people who have no jobs and no income cannot buy them.
More leisure jobs and spending would be a win-win.[/quote]

I have a slightly negative or less optimistic view on that.
More productivity or abundance means the more dilution of individual labor hence the less per-unit value an individual worker will have for the top 1% which in turn means the 1% will have means to exert more control.
For example, look at what ERP did to finance teams in companies.

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[quote=flyer]From what I’ve read, although many of us late boomers do plan to leave substantial wealth to our kids, the highly discussed “wealth transfer” when broken down, will be concentrated at the top, and will only amount to a few thousand for most as it filters down. Here’s one interesting article on that topic:

http://www.barrons.com/articles/boomers-spend-their-kids-inheritance-on-supporting-them-1435313494%5B/quote%5D

With more money flowing out of 401Ks than coming in, what do you think it will do to the funds & the fund managers? More importantly, what will it do for folks who are still putting money in hoping to get tax free gain in say, 30 years from now?
I think the fund fees will go higher since we have smaller number people contributing lower amounts to support the lifestyle of the fund managers.

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[quote=XBoxBoy][
How this plays out is anyone’s guess. But personally I think that capitalism as an economic system doesn’t work in the future. (I know that sounds extreme, and in general I’m a believer that things are getting better, not a doomsayer so don’t take it as some pronouncement about the end is nigh.)

My suggestion is to think of it this way. Robots/computers filling many/most of the jobs means lots of low cost production. When you think of it that way, honestly it’s not a problem but a good thing. However, now the question comes as you point out, how do we distribute this production? My personal fear is that we (all us humans) go through a very difficult time politically as we transition from our current system of capitalism to some other system. How that plays out, how smoothly vs how chaotic that change is, what are the details of that new economic order? Beats me. But the world has changed in the past, and it will change again in the future.

One thing I would stress however is that pronouncements about how this coming wave of robots and computers plays out is largely a guessing game. And much of it will happen without people seeing it coming.

XBoxBoy[/quote]

So true about future just being a guessing game and Bill can be as right/wrong as any of us could be.
Your note about capitalism got me thinking: maybe it was a creature of industrial revolution and might have to give space up for another system once the automated productivity skyrockets.
In recent memory, none of us saw what the first iphone was really going bring out in the next few years in terms of mobility & productivity. so yes, changes sneak up upon us but it is always fun to play the guessing game!

I will stick my neck out for this prediction: Nobody will be able to stop the coming wave of massive increase in production. The consequences of that are the ones which are hard to predict.

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[quote=harvey]
So dumbrenter, I’ve told you where the church bells play. Since you have “seen a little too much of it first-hand,” where I can one go here in SoCal to experience these obnoxious Islamic calls for prayer that are taking over our communities?[/quote]

I never claimed I saw it first-hand in SoCal. I did not even mention the location(s) where I saw it first-hand.
Suggest you re-read what I have written.

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[quote=harvey]How are they not equivalent? They are both religions and protected equally by the constitution.

Can you explain what is not equal?[/quote]

I am surprised you don’t see that (or suspect you don’t seem to want to see that, but will try anyway).

One historically used the religion for control of state but essentially retreated after a long bloody cycle of violence. The other still openly advocates violence as a tool to expand politically. It is an even more deadly variant of a memetic disease that has not been ‘dealt with’ yet.

But again, the OP expressed a much more local & mundane fear about buying next to islamic center. I provided example of a community dealing with just such a thing in Michigan. And some of you wanted to shout the OP down and attempted to draw a false equivalence between churches and moslem centers.
If expressing such a fear makes OP a troll, what does that say about who you are?

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[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=dumbrenter]
Do you agree with what he says about the investing implications due to increasing elderly dependency ratio?[/quote]

No. As a matter of fact I think the opposite is true. It’s my feeling that in the coming decades productivity will increase tremendously as more and more production is taken over by robots and computers. This will lead to deflation, not inflation as he’s predicting. (Arguably this is already happening?)

Worth mentioning, I do agree with his first two paragraphs in which he points out the sad state of our current govt to citizen relationship. When he says, “November 2016 will not change a thing – 8 years of Hillary or 8 years of a non-Hillary. Same difference. Central bankers, Superpacs, and K street lobbyists are in control.” I think he really hits the nail on the head.[/quote]

The productivity might increase in coming decades, but if the increase is from robots and computers, what does that do with the welfare spending? Because Robots don’t pay taxes. Do you think the tax tab will be picked up by the companies that use them?
Or do you expect we will go thru another cycle of adjustment as from farms to industries?

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[quote=milkspot]Dumbrenter, your comment dated December 10, 2015 – 10:10am is just spot on for me. I can understand OP’s concern as well.

I was not born in the US — an immigrant from a country that is 85% or more muslim. I went back a few years ago to visit relatives. I was awaken many times at around 5 am by the call for prayer. For those who do not subscribe to the call for prayer … too bad. And it is best to just stay quiet about it. As a now spoiled American living in the US, I ask myself internally … “where’s the tolerance?!”

I now have a greater appreciation for my HOA’s CC&R’s “no noise before 7 am rule”[/quote]

I have seen a little too much of it first-hand myself. As I said, it will be interesting to see how the american society responds to such things. Either folks like harvey just do not get how bad it could be (no experience, best case) or are fully aware but still deliberately compare it to evangelicals ().
Which is sad, because folks like harvey come across as balanced & widely-read and could as well argue their position without having to resort to name calling or attempting to stymie a discussion.
comparing moslem center types with evangelicals is disingenuous because it assumes some kind of an equivalence between them both. It is not. The evangelical types have been successfully dealt with by the society here, they pose no other threat other than saying hello to you on the beach and attempting to pass on a bible to you.

I never thought I would find myself agreeing with HoA CC&R’s ever, but you make a very pertinent point about the no-noise rule!

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[quote=Blogstar]I decided my boys are going to major in women’s studies. It’s way too misogynistic to let them possibly hog up places in college and the workforce,that in all fairness, should be left open for girls/ women. Too many boys in stem and not enough getting properly indoctrinated to what should be the appropriate political and social views on gender . Fixing everything that’s wrong with the world, one (white) boy at a time.[/quote]

Like a good social major would do, you should start with other boys first before trying your own 🙂

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[quote=harvey][quote=dumbrenter]

You’ve never heard church bells but you read about some place in Michigan that has a mosque.

And that explains why you are so frightened.
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Frightened? Wonder how you got that from my posts.. did I say I was frightened?
That aside, where in San Diego would one hear church bells?

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My sophisticated software predicts the following with 100% certainty : The dow on Dec 31 2016 will not be the same as the dow on Jan 1 2016.

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[quote=harvey][quote=skerzz]
How would that question be relevant to the original topic of this thread? We are discussing if there is any additional risk or negative impact of purchasing a home buying next to an Islamic place of worship. You would need to ask all Americans if violence against civilian targets is justified to defend [enter religious affiliation here] from its enemies and then compare results across religions to see if one population is a higher violence risk than others.[/quote]

The original topic of the thread was an anti-Muslim troll.

Go ahead and do your analysis; be sure to include the religion that is American nationalism.[/quote]

You start off by asking a very relevant question any statistician would do: i.e. were Americans of other religious persuasions were asked the same question.
This is why I read what you have to say and take the trouble of responding even though I don’t’ agree with your opinions..
But then you bring in the “religion” of american nationalism…Is there such a religion? IS that the commonly accepted name? Can I write a check to this religion’s activities and get a break from IRS?

You seem convinced that the OP is an anti-moslem troll. By the same token, are you an anti-american troll?
Engaging in some intellectual taqquiyah here, ‘brother’? What you got against americans who are no more/less tribal than other bipeds on this planet?

Your liberal jannat of al-saydia can put foreigner in their compounds, stone people, disallow other places of worship, but jut a concern about their religious center here and what it might do to local real estate value bring out some accusations from you folks.

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[quote=harvey][quote=dumbrenter]…[/quote]

Loved the irony in that article. That town sounds like the place I grew up. I’m a descendant of Polish Catholic immigrants myself. A century ago we were the huddled masses…

As for your post: “use the liberals” … “welcome to Beirut” … been watching some Fox news?

Why do you have an issue with calls to prayer but not church bells?

Here’s the part you don’t get: The protection of civil liberties – freedom of religion – it’s a core American value.

It’s not a “liberal” thing, it’s an American thing.

Civil liberties are not about you being able to live the way you want. Civil liberties are about allowing others to live as they want.[/quote]

Leaving your personal stuff aside, where do you hear these church bells? I have never heard them once. Is this in san diego? Which church are you referring to? Do they last for 15 something minutes? Do they proclaim that your prophet is the only prophet and your god whatever 5 times a day?
Maybe you are watching too much MSNBC and getting their talking points to vomit around here, or maybe you are taking your mulla a little too literally but seriously… I have been living in close vicinity to 2 churches and never heard them once.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=dumbrenter]20%: start pushing the boundaries, open call for prayer, open display of numbers[/quote]

You mean like the people evangelizing at the beach or any other public place? Most of the midwest, the church bells ring before mass.

What’s the difference?[/quote]

I guess you have not read the link I provided.
If you don’t get the difference between a jehovah witness evangelizing at the beach vs being forced to adjust your lifestyle for somebody’s call for prayer, I have nothing further to say that will be useful to talk to you.

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Here is something that is relevant to this topic:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

I think the author is reasonably balanced (I guess the author would have to these days, in order not to be accused of being a racist and not get a job in this business again).

But that aside, it will be interesting to see how beer, pork and 5-time call for prayer to the faithful can coexist for any reasonable amount of time.
Don’t sell your homes and flee Del Sur yet, we are far, far away from Beirut like situation, but at least be aware of how these things start.

Politically, as incorrect as it may be, it will be interesting to watch how the American society deals with the aggressiveness of the third abrahamic disease. Till now we managed to keep the church reasonably away from government, but will this survive this new challenge?
No country that is officially christian/jew/moslem has ever allowed a minority, even if it just a slight variant to peacefully exist (forget survive & thrive)

You can see how it starts and the kinds of emotions that are used:
Few guys in population: keep a low profile.
2%: Hey, can’t we all co-exist? use the liberals and sympathizers for your cause
10%: We are here, deal with us.
20%: start pushing the boundaries, open call for prayer, open display of numbers
35%: Welcome to Beirut (or Rome or Byzantium). All over!

The OP expressed a fear, and proposed a crude solution that invited the snarky and bully-like responses. I am just restating that in a slightly different way and using more words.
Do we have the will to handle this challenge that is coming our way? Is what the EU countries are doing the right way? Maybe Trump’s way is the way? I don’t know.

I can live right next to a mormon church and consume huge quantities of caffeine and alcohol without the need to do it discreetly. I don’t have to listen to their call for prayer, and they don’t lobby the local government to restrict my right to consume beverages/drugs of my choice.
There is a positive correlation between where they are and the property values which I see it as an economic benefit.
Can we honestly say the same about the moslem churches or their centers next door?
No need to shout someone down for just asking that question.

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[quote=njtosd][quote=dumbrenter][quote=njtosd][quote=dumbrenter][quote=bearishgurl]Just saw this thread. I don’t understand why OP even started this thread (except for possible trolling purposes). Why is he gravitating back to Del $ur when the monthly HOA/MR there is “eye-watering.” And the current new development there is selling homes which have “particle board cabinets with metal drawers … for $1.5M” (quoted from his own words in the OP from the “Best Family Areas” thread).[/quote]

Am I missing something here? there is no mention of HOA or “particle boards cabinets” anywhere by OP on this thread.
Unless you know OP personally and refer to some other conversation?[/quote]

See “Best Family Areas for Low-$1Millions Budget”. As the judge in “My Cousin Vinny” said “..[T]hat would certainly explain the hostility.”[/quote]

Thanks for the reference njtosd. Just looked and I see 10 pages of activity there! I know it is hard for some folks to just keep the thread thoughts within that thread, but calling OP names on a separate unrelated thread, how mature is that?
Do we really have to track what was said yesterday? or where folks say they live? Which you have no way of verifying anyway?
And nobody here is running for office, are they? Why bring up such stuff? These two were unrelated topics.[/quote]

Are you directing this at me? If you look at this thread, it’s yuhtey who’s trying to get under my skin. I guess I’ve been pointing things out he doesn’t like.[/quote]

Yes. I thanked you for providing the reference. I had not known of that.
Irrespective of what OP said in the other thread, why bring that up in a separate topic? That is what many of the posters seem to be doing. I think it is irrational and inconsiderate.
If I may suggest, nobody can get under your skin unless you allow them to do so. But, it is easy for me to say so since I was not aware of the emotions generated on the other thread.
I hope you think about it and observe that bringing the location of where OP lives and OP’s opinion on furniture has nothing to do with what OP posted on this particular thread. It is a distraction frequently engaged by talk-show participants to destroy any kind of debate. That was what was happening here.
For example, please see the bullying nature of posts from the poster named ‘flu’ on the first page of this thread.

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