Buying Next to Islamic Center

[dumbrenter]

[quote=harvey][quote=dumbrenter]…[/quote]

Loved the irony in that article. That town sounds like the place I grew up. I’m a descendant of Polish Catholic immigrants myself. A century ago we were the huddled masses…

As for your post: “use the liberals” … “welcome to Beirut” … been watching some Fox news?

Why do you have an issue with calls to prayer but not church bells?

Here’s the part you don’t get: The protection of civil liberties – freedom of religion – it’s a core American value.

It’s not a “liberal” thing, it’s an American thing.

Civil liberties are not about you being able to live the way you want. Civil liberties are about allowing others to live as they want.[/quote]

Leaving your personal stuff aside, where do you hear these church bells? I have never heard them once. Is this in san diego? Which church are you referring to? Do they last for 15 something minutes? Do they proclaim that your prophet is the only prophet and your god whatever 5 times a day?
Maybe you are watching too much MSNBC and getting their talking points to vomit around here, or maybe you are taking your mulla a little too literally but seriously… I have been living in close vicinity to 2 churches and never heard them once.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=harvey][quote=skerzz]
How would that question be relevant to the original topic of this thread? We are discussing if there is any additional risk or negative impact of purchasing a home buying next to an Islamic place of worship. You would need to ask all Americans if violence against civilian targets is justified to defend [enter religious affiliation here] from its enemies and then compare results across religions to see if one population is a higher violence risk than others.[/quote]

The original topic of the thread was an anti-Muslim troll.

Go ahead and do your analysis; be sure to include the religion that is American nationalism.[/quote]

You start off by asking a very relevant question any statistician would do: i.e. were Americans of other religious persuasions were asked the same question.
This is why I read what you have to say and take the trouble of responding even though I don’t’ agree with your opinions..
But then you bring in the “religion” of american nationalism…Is there such a religion? IS that the commonly accepted name? Can I write a check to this religion’s activities and get a break from IRS?

You seem convinced that the OP is an anti-moslem troll. By the same token, are you an anti-american troll?
Engaging in some intellectual taqquiyah here, ‘brother’? What you got against americans who are no more/less tribal than other bipeds on this planet?

Your liberal jannat of al-saydia can put foreigner in their compounds, stone people, disallow other places of worship, but jut a concern about their religious center here and what it might do to local real estate value bring out some accusations from you folks.

[Coronita]

The point is, if you’re still looking to buy a house in North County, it sucks bigtime still. Maybe even worse… I think worrying about whether to buy next to islamic center is the least of your concerns. Finding something in inventory is a much bigger problem.

Everything else is just noise.

[Anonymous]

[quote=dumbrenter]

Leaving your personal stuff aside, where do you hear these church bells? I have never heard them once. Is this in san diego? Which church are you referring to? Do they last for 15 something minutes? Do they proclaim that your prophet is the only prophet and your god whatever 5 times a day?
Maybe you are watching too much MSNBC and getting their talking points to vomit around here, or maybe you are taking your mulla a little too literally but seriously… I have been living in close vicinity to 2 churches and never heard them once.[/quote]

You’ve never heard church bells but you read about some place in Michigan that has a mosque.

And that explains why you are so frightened.

[quote]You seem convinced that the OP is an anti-moslem troll. By the same token, are you an anti-american troll?[/quote]

What have I said that is “anti-american” ?

[dumbrenter]

[quote=harvey][quote=dumbrenter]

You’ve never heard church bells but you read about some place in Michigan that has a mosque.

And that explains why you are so frightened.
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Frightened? Wonder how you got that from my posts.. did I say I was frightened?
That aside, where in San Diego would one hear church bells?

[Anonymous]

I don’t know of church in San Diego that plays bells, but I don’t live in San Diego.

They are more common in older cities, with older churches.

Last I heard them in California was in Laguna Beach. Not sure where the church was, but the bells played regularly. I recall they played a short hymn as well. Probably this church:

http://www.lagunapreschurch.org/about-us/our-history/

There is a famous church in NYC near Columbia that plays bells. They are quite nice.

I’m not sure if anyone in NYC has ever complained about Christians taking over our society because their house of worship makes some occasional noise.

Alas, it seems church bells are not as common as they used to be. Unfortunate, because I like them.

[milkspot]

Dumbrenter, your comment dated December 10, 2015 – 10:10am is just spot on for me. I can understand OP’s concern as well.

I was not born in the US — an immigrant from a country that is 85% or more muslim. I went back a few years ago to visit relatives. I was awaken many times at around 5 am by the call for prayer. For those who do not subscribe to the call for prayer … too bad. And it is best to just stay quiet about it. As a now spoiled American living in the US, I ask myself internally … “where’s the tolerance?!”

I now have a greater appreciation for my HOA’s CC&R’s “no noise before 7 am rule”

[NotCranky]

[quote=all]In urban places, 57% agree that “occasional acts of terrorism” are the new norm, according to a 2012 Pew Research survey. In suburban places that number is 69% and in rural places it is 66%.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/04/19/politics-counts-terror-fears-and-polls/%5B/quote%5D

I don’t care where you live you are in denial if you don’t think “occassional acts of terrorism” is the new norm. Maybe it’s the old norm too, but it’s the norm.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=milkspot]Dumbrenter, your comment dated December 10, 2015 – 10:10am is just spot on for me. I can understand OP’s concern as well.

I was not born in the US — an immigrant from a country that is 85% or more muslim. I went back a few years ago to visit relatives. I was awaken many times at around 5 am by the call for prayer. For those who do not subscribe to the call for prayer … too bad. And it is best to just stay quiet about it. As a now spoiled American living in the US, I ask myself internally … “where’s the tolerance?!”

I now have a greater appreciation for my HOA’s CC&R’s “no noise before 7 am rule”[/quote]

I have seen a little too much of it first-hand myself. As I said, it will be interesting to see how the american society responds to such things. Either folks like harvey just do not get how bad it could be (no experience, best case) or are fully aware but still deliberately compare it to evangelicals ().
Which is sad, because folks like harvey come across as balanced & widely-read and could as well argue their position without having to resort to name calling or attempting to stymie a discussion.
comparing moslem center types with evangelicals is disingenuous because it assumes some kind of an equivalence between them both. It is not. The evangelical types have been successfully dealt with by the society here, they pose no other threat other than saying hello to you on the beach and attempting to pass on a bible to you.

I never thought I would find myself agreeing with HoA CC&R’s ever, but you make a very pertinent point about the no-noise rule!

[spdrun]

“Moslem center types” HA HA HA!

Are you really saying that all people who attend mosque are more dangerous than the more radical Christians?

I’m betting that in the last 25 years, even counting 9/11, many more people have been killed by self-identified strict Christians than by self-identified Muslims on US soil.

[Anonymous]

[quote=dumbrenter]comparing moslem center types with evangelicals is disingenuous because it assumes some kind of an equivalence between them both. It is not.[/quote]

How are they not equivalent? They are both religions and protected equally by the constitution.

Can you explain what is not equal?

BTW: I noticed you didn’t answer my last question about your use of the term “anti-american” …

[quote]The evangelical types have been successfully dealt with by the society here, they pose no other threat other than saying hello to you on the beach and attempting to pass on a bible to you.[/quote]

Some group has been “successfully dealt with?” Exactly how were they “dealt with?”

And why are you using the word “threat?” Has the church in Michigan that you use as your example advocated violence?

Your posts show a pattern of taking a relatively minor issue such as a potential noise disturbance and turning it into unfounded fear of violence. Extrapolate much?

Sorry, but your “the moslems are taking over and they are going to force us to listen to loudspeakers” paranoia is not founded in reality. You read an article about one place where there is some controversy.

There are thousands of practicing Muslims right here in Southern California so obviously this “problem” is already here.

So dumbrenter, I’ve told you where the church bells play. Since you have “seen a little too much of it first-hand,” where I can one go here in SoCal to experience these obnoxious Islamic calls for prayer that are taking over our communities?

[scaredyclassic]

There’s a decent size Muslim commty. In temecula. I have one Muslim colleague, who happens to be fun and interesting and not particularly discernably muslim. He is definitely not a terrorist, except insofar as he completely terrorizes opposing counsel.

[FlyerInHi]

I once went to Tioman island in Malaysia. I hiked across the jungle to the remote side of the island and stayed in a hut on the beach. Even there, there was calls to prayers over loud speakers. That was annoying. But the people were nice.

That said, I believe we (the West) had a hand in creating Islamic extremism. We supported authoritarian regimes and proxy wars that impoverished and radicalized people. We made it so that religion (overtaking nationalism which didn’t really exist in the near east) became the last refuge of the scoundrel.

If you read history, you will know this Beirut was known as the Paris of the Middle East and Baghdad was so nice that they called San Francisco Baghdad by the Bay. Secular liberalism was once what people aspired to in the Middle East. More wars and hardline policies won’t bring it back.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]
FIH, I do think of you as “worldly,” yes . . . but you can’t see much of this great nation from the window seat of a plane en route from large city to large city. You need to take some time out of your busy life to hit the road, bro . . . I think you would learn a LOT by doing so! Your “armchair surfing” doesn’t compare to a (more authentic) boots-on-the-ground experience. Not by a long shot :=
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I’m just a nice guy so people treat me well. If I were to judge the world based on my own experiences, it would be a nice place. But I know that reality is a lot worse. Plus not everyone can be friends. A person who a racist ass could be really nice and good friends to some select people.

I look at data. Look at the map of red states. Superimpose that to the map of Trump supporters. Then look to the map area where people want to ban Muslims. Compare to the map of Google searches for the N word. A professor did just that I believe.

Demographics and trends are not the same as personal experiences. Personal anecdotes just make stories more interesting.

[skerzz]

[quote=spdrun]”Moslem center types” HA HA HA!

Are you really saying that all people who attend mosque are more dangerous than the more radical Christians?

I’m betting that in the last 25 years, even counting 9/11, many more people have been killed by self-identified strict Christians than by self-identified Muslims on US soil.[/quote]

If you are referring to killings/terrorism in the name of the religion, you are wrong and I would take the other side of that bet. According to politicfact, as of January 2015, “right wing” extremists (not necessarily Christian) have killed less than 40 people on US soil since September 2011 . Do you really think there were thousands of people killed by Christian extremists in the 10 years leading up to 9/11? Now, If we’re talking “killings” in general, I would agree with your statement, but it’s statistically misleading and not relevant to the discussion (ex. A Christian kills someone in a DUI vehicle accident or a husband/wife carry out a murder suicide).

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