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I never debated the free market issue with you other than saying the market reacted exactly how it should when the supply of engineers, in this case Iranian females, drive done price with no increase in demand.

Basic economics…

So please stop making claims to things I didn’t argue.

CE

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Loved it.

CE

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[quote=CA renter][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=CA renter]CE,

You’re familiar with how hard you’ve worked, but you’re not familiar with how hard others have worked to get wherever they are. Getting a degree is just one part of the equation. Some jobs that don’t require degrees are much more difficult than many jobs that do require degrees; it’s just a different type of “hard work.” It’s condescending and presumptuous to state that you can do anyone else’s job, but they’re incapable of doing yours; or that you work harder than anyone else (especially those who are unionized).[/quote]

Show me where in this thread I said that.

Lastly it was your gal BG that was “condescending” to start. I would have never said anything if it weren’t for the crap statement. So direct your comments towards her and you won’t hear from me. I wasn’t the one who cast the orginal insult. Only responded to it.

Perfectly willing to let sleeping dogs lie.

Lastly I am not condescending. You will know when I am being condescending. I am perfectly willing to live with being label arrogant.

CE[/quote]

Not so much on this thread, CE. You’ve had this attitude on other threads over the years, particularly on the anti-union threads. But even on this thread you’ve said this:

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I have done this exact job as a non-union memember in Las Vegas and I can tell you the Union Guys werent that good. In fact many times my team was called in to do the job when the unions guy weren’t getting it done fast enough cause “this guy can only do this and that guy can only do that bullshit”.

So don’t tell me that shit BG about many Piggs being incapable… It’s insulting to the point I have to say somethine. Been there… done that… and stayed in school cause the jobs were a “nowhere” job and to expect anything more of it was ridiculous.

[Insinuates that the people doing these jobs are “less worthy” of a decent, middle-class lifestyle…that their jobs don’t mean very much, but yours does. -CAR]

Stage rigging is not rocket science though I will admit it is tough work to turn a show in 24 hours and a certian degree of can-do and creativeness is required. That is true of any job.

[No, it might not be “rocket science,” but most jobs aren’t…so? I know a few actual rocket scientists, and they aren’t making that much money. Do you think rocket scientists represent the pinnacle of human success? If so, then why aren’t they paid more in your “free market” capitalist system? Why do financiers often make more than rocket scientists? -CAR]

And yes… they dont make that much money but I dont’ want to hear that bullshit comment “union guys do it better cause they are paid too.” Terrible arguement that continues to be brought up evey other minute on this site.

I am tired of your attitude concerning the white collar profesionals on this site. You have a case of white collar envy.

Most of us weren’t born with a silver spoon.

I came from a lower middle class broken home. I worked construction roofing houses three stories in the air. I worked for AD Scenery (if you want validation of my story). I have done all of those Dirty fucking jobs to get to where I am today as a degree’d engineer and I know a lot of ppl here went to the school of hard knock as well.

[So you acknowledge that those jobs are difficult, even worse than your current gig. So why do you think they shouldn’t be paid well? -CAR]

So for once get off your high fucking horse. If you had it so figured out, which you want ppl to think from your 1 page “googled” rants, why arent you suceeding more in life? Don’t tell us you are exactly where you want to be and doing what you want to do.

I could be a cop… or a firefighter… Plumber… or any other of these jobs… Why?!? Cause like I said I had to at on point in my life and knew that it was a stepping stone to another better job. I HAVE THE PYHSICAL APPITUDE. I HAVE THE MENTAL AS WELL. As many ppl on this board do.

[No, you weren’t a cop or firefighter (or plumber?) before. And precious few people would say that these jobs are “stepping stones” to something else/better (Your jobs is better? You are more worthy than the people doing these jobs?). These are career-type jobs, not starter jobs. -CAR]

So stop making poor assumptions of other and saying stupid things.

I will do any job that I have to in order to make it in this world.

Right now, my job, as an engineer, is to tell union people and non-union people… how to do theirs…

[Maybe arrogant, maybe condescending…certainly not humble, which is perfectly fine. You’ve worked hard to get where you are, but others have worked just as hard to get where they are. Let’s respect the talents and hard work that each person brings to this world. -CAR]

Shove it. [Now that’s just not nice. 😉 -CAR]

CE[/quote]

Again, this wasn’t your worst post. It’s just ironic that you accuse BG of being condescending when you’ve been every bit as condescending (or more) over the years. I think you’re an intelligent, hard-working person, but you definitely come across as one who thinks everybody else is beneath you, and that you, and others very much like you, are the only ones who deserve to do well in life. It would just be nice if we could all learn to respect one another and support the great variety of people, from various professions, who provide goods and services that greatly benefit our society and improve our quality of life.[/quote]

Again. Only reacting to the orginal insult. I never said anything about others regarding hardwork and again you need to point your arguements towards your friend, as well, otherwise you have NO case and show yourself just as biased.

Your comments above serve as an attack because they are based outside of this arguement. I am willing to let that slide.

The rest of my family are all blue coller’ed too so I must think them all beneath me as well eh?

So leash your dog CAR, meaning BG, and I’ll leash mine… To carry on with the let sleeping dogs lay analog.

Again your side is casting stones and when some responds to it your side crys foul.

It’s like the double standard that Chris Rock once cited about “Fat women get to say mean things about skinny ones… But skinny ones can’t say anything about fat ones because it is just plain mean”

Bullshit… Turn about is fair play…

I don’t think people are beneath me. In fact I am known to be the guy that can relate to anyone in the room for any situation. At a party I am a social butterfly.

That being said I am tired of people:

1. Bitching about thier station in life and mainly doing very little about it.

and then:

2. Saying “You couldn’t do what I do” when that ability is soley centered around hard physical labor a some moderate intellegence activity and thier perception that sitting at a desk all day is somehow easier..

Again been there… done that… as a lot of people have on this site.

Never mentioned anything about others not working hard so stop accusing me of such.

Be Fair.

I am willing to accept those labels which are true versus the ones you accuse me of which are not.

I know who I am and exactly what limits I have. I do not think that I could be just anybody… I know that certian things are within my reach and others are not but I have met to many people in this life time that think they could reach for the stars and grasp them an not have a clue about what thier limits are.

This damn country breeds ppl under the notion that “All men are created equally”. Which it true if you read the context of the total quote but it is not true that we are all equal in ability. Some of us are better than other….

I will never be a marathon runner… Or a CEO of a major company or on the cover of GQ… Simply becaude I don’t have those abilities…

I know my limits and what I am capable of…

CE

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On a seperate comment…

I am not really getting your point about the above posting by you… The one with the links.

You are kind of drifting between arguements and not drawing your debate to a close.

I will say I am all for intellectual property protection, which was a large point of the wikipedia link.

CE

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[quote=CA renter]CE,

You’re familiar with how hard you’ve worked, but you’re not familiar with how hard others have worked to get wherever they are. Getting a degree is just one part of the equation. Some jobs that don’t require degrees are much more difficult than many jobs that do require degrees; it’s just a different type of “hard work.” It’s condescending and presumptuous to state that you can do anyone else’s job, but they’re incapable of doing yours; or that you work harder than anyone else (especially those who are unionized).[/quote]

Show me where in this thread I said that.

Lastly it was your gal BG that was “condescending” to start. I would have never said anything if it weren’t for the crap statement. So direct your comments towards her and you won’t hear from me. I wasn’t the one who cast the orginal insult. Only responded to it.

Perfectly willing to let sleeping dogs lie.

Lastly I am not condescending. You will know when I am being condescending. I am perfectly willing to live with being label arrogant.

CE

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I bet that cop had read the great canons and had excellent writing skills.

CE

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CAR…

That is just the way the market is supposed to react in terms of price from saturation… Women or men. The men banning the woman is no different from union action to control labor pricing. This way is just more mysgonistic and serves the point of keeping women in control and price fixing.

I did not start the flame war here. I had a knee jerk reaction to the comment that a “lot of Piggs think they could do the job…”. I am, of course, paraphrasing. I still think that is a crap statement.

Over and over I hear from blue collar “You couldnt do what I do”. Nothing pisses me off more. I “have done what you do” and many ppl on this board did also.

As for your comment about being condescending…

I am ok with that comment. I don’t precieve it because I am just stating the facts and when ppl don’t agree with them the emotive side becomes engaged.

You should try crossing a union line sometimes and have ppl spit at you and curse. While they are not being condescending they are being jealous and petty.

Somehow I was “granted” or “gifted” this position… Or maybe is was all the 80 and 90 hour weeks I worked throughout my life. So when you say “I say” less worthy… In some sense they are. Just the same way I am not worthy to be a brain surgeon or P.h.D. I didn’t work for it. So let be clear on that. When ppl complain about there position in life in this country it is usually because they didn’t work harder to achieve it. Let’s avoid the obivous exceptions to this like being raised in a Mississippi or inner city school system.

Do I have strong feelings…

Not as strong as you would think but yes I am anti-union… Never was when I was young and never will be when I am old. I worked along side those teams early on and had a distaste for them even then. To much “I don’t do windows”…

There are plenty of hard working ppl out there and they fear the same things that I do. To one day be outmode, to expensive, and replaced. Union or otherwise…

Don’t like where you are in life then do something about.

Joining a gang and threatening corporations isn’t doing something about it.

Find me arrogant… Fine. Many do.

As for you CAR… I have already said it. I think your policies are misguided but your heart is in the right place.

With BG its is something much different. Insidious is the word I would use. I am sure the DSM-V could put a term on it.

And BG is right about one thing… The only thing I will every admit she is right about…

My writing does suck.

BTW… Mysogyny was brought up. Last person I hired was a woman (an engineer)… and I dont’t think I have ever seen a mysogynistic comments brought up in volume here. Not saying it didn’t happen once though… but I also know Rich would not allow that to happen regularly so I have no clue what BG is claiming in that regard.

Peace out.

Hope this thread dies after this. CAR you are free to engage me on the PM system if you want too.. Otherwise we will just waste pages here.

CE

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You had it coming as well.

As for my writing…

I do write in a unconvential manner and have worked on it for years. Agian I have things I would rather do than cut and paste from Word back to this blog to ensure I am being loud and clear.

You are insulting and you mask it in a lanuage that is condescending.

I am sure that there is a long line of people as the military is downsizing and those kind of jobs are in demand with ex-military. I still take expection to the fact you think a lot of us can’t hack it.

You are wrong.

I stand by my original comments.

CE

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=bearishgurl][quote=tc]I am a union stagehand. And I find that to be unacceptable.
I can also assure everyone that reads this that the stagehands in the San Diego theaters make enough to take care of their families and pay for a mortgage on a small house and no more. And many of us work 60+ hours a week.
Also the average non-union stagehand earns $14 an hour with no retirement or healthcare. So when they end up in the ER guess who ends up paying the bill.
And on a final note next time you go to a concert and look up to the 140,000 pounds of equipment over your head. Who do you want hanging it? A person making just enough to share an apartment with a bunch of other drug attics or a guy who has a family and a home to take care of.[/quote]

I’d want YOU to install it over my head, tc, with all of the professionalism you have always demonstrated.

You’re probably aware that SD isn’t NY and the salaries here are a far cry from those in NYC, yet the cost of living here is the same or close to NYC.

Some of these jobs which are “unionized” no doubt look like a walk in the park to a lot of these Piggs who likely couldn’t possibly perform them themselves. Nor would they live in the “small (modest?) house” you bought with your “lavish” union wages.

Case in point: your $14 hr non-union counterpart whose family may be regularly utilizing SD’s emergency rooms who may or may not be doing the exact same job as you and likely doesn’t stay past a year on the job.

Thanks for posting, tc.[/quote]

I have done this exact job as a non-union memember (sic) in Las Vegas and I can tell you the Union Guys werent (sic) that good. In fact many times my team was called in to do the job when the unions guy (sic) weren’t getting it done fast enough cause “this guy can only do this and that guy can only do that bullshit”.

So don’t tell me that shit BG about many Piggs being incapable… It’s insulting to the point I have to say somethine (sic). Been there… done that… and stayed in school cause the jobs were a “nowhere” job and to expect anything more of it was ridiculous.

Stage rigging is not rocket science though I will admit it is tough work to turn a show in 24 hours and a certian (sic) degree of can-do and creativeness is required. That is true of any job.

And yes… they dont (sic) make that much money but I dont’ (sic) want to hear that bullshit comment “union guys do it better cause they are paid too.” Terrible arguement (sic) that continues to be brought up evey (sic) other minute on this site.

I am tired of your attitude concerning the white collar profesionals (sic) on this site. You have a case of white collar envy.

Most of us weren’t born with a silver spoon.

I came from a lower middle class broken home. I worked construction roofing houses three stories in the air. I worked for AD Scenery (if you want validation of my story). I have done all of those Dirty fucking jobs to get to where I am today as a degree’d (sic) engineer and I know a lot of ppl here went to the school of hard knock (sic) as well.

So for once get off your high fucking horse. If you had it so figured out, which you want ppl to think from your 1 page “googled” rants, why arent (sic) you suceeding more in life? Don’t tell us you are exactly where you want to be and doing what you want to do.

I could be a cop… or a firefighter… Plumber… or any other of these jobs… Why?!? Cause like I said I had to at on point in my life and knew that it was a stepping stone to another better job. I HAVE THE PYHSICAL (sic) APPITUDE (sic). I HAVE THE MENTAL AS WELL. As many ppl on this board do.

So stop making poor assumptions of other and saying stupid things.

I will do any job that I have to in order to make it in this world.

Right now, my job, as an engineer, is to tell union people and non-union people… how to do theirs…

Shove it.

CE[/quote](remarks/emphasis added)

I’m going to refrain here from telling YOU to “shove it,” CE, because I so very much enjoy “reading” your (very insightful and “telling”) posts.

You know that you and I have been down this road before …. at least once. Namely here:

[quote=CDMA ENG on May 11, 2012 – 4:30pm.] . . . And for the latest time… Everyone is fed up with “try it for yourself” arguement (sic)… I know I can do 99 percent of goverment (sic) jobs… I don’t need to tryi (sic) it. I’m a smart guy… Maybe not a treffic (sic) writer or speller because I am too lazy to put this in word (sic) first… But I could do police work, fire, administrator, planner, or whatever but I can say this… Most of those people couldn’t do my job.

CE[/quote]

(remarks/emphasis added)

http://piggington.com/more_public_pension_loony_tunes_now_providence_ri_is_in_trouble#comment-209500

By your own admission, you fall down the rabbit hole in the “report-writing” category.

CE, I don’t have a red pen to use on here but I daresay that you wouldn’t have been able to even get through the POST academy for those public law-enforcement position(s) you (once?) aspired to because you obviously had/have rather glaring problems with spelling, sentence/word structure and punctuation. If you were not/are not able to write coherent reports (to be reviewed by your superiors) about each “incident” you were a party to for every shift, I’m here to tell you that you wouldn’t possibly be able to “make the grade.”

Oh, and, by the way, those daily “reports” are often written “on the fly” while sitting in a vehicle, with no time to repeatedly consult a dictionary, thesaurus or The Elements of Style.

No matter who your choice employing-agency was/is, multiple lawyers and judges could very likely see many of your reports and even show them to juries. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news here but law-enforcement hiring agencies cannot hire recruits who appear to be “borderline illiterate,” which, as public entities, would obviously reflect back onto them. Thus, these deficient recruits wouldn’t be able to finish the academy in the time allotted to do so.

For your sake, I hope you have use of a competent secretary with your current employer. It takes ~15-20 years on the job for a small portion of former law-enforcement recruits to obtain the use of professional secretarial services on the job (by being promoted 2-3 times). And this individual does NOT usually write their reports for them.

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Sorry for the hijack, tc. I couldn’t resist. Keep up the good work![/quote]

Don’t need too…

In a work enviroment I use spell check and re-read everything before I submit.

Don’t need to here you get the point.

And yes I could make it through the academy… Lets face it… It’s not rocket science… and it’s not the Navy SEALs…

In fact I have know many flunkies that went through academy… You see junvile antics from the police department all the time.

As for you. I will give it to you that you write extremely well but I will call you on your bullshit… On all of these subject you are an expert and carry yourself as so but all you are doing is regurtating things you have googled from the web.

Curiousity is one thing but to carry yourself the way you do is funny…

Worst case of white collar envy I have seen in a while… and I get it a lot at work…

You have said rude things to me before and I never once came back at you until today.

So while I am being “petty” go fuck yourself!

I have achieved more than you and will continue to do so. You are at the end of your career and I am at the mid point in mind.

And I am sure if you reviewed a lot of these Ad-Hoc review by the police I am sure that are borderline illerate by your “high standards”.

My writing to me is not important. If I conveyed the information esstential to the point then that is fine. I dont have time to polish over and over again.

You obviously understood what I wrote just fine and again I take offense to you catergorizing “a lot of Piggs” on this site.

CE

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[quote=tc]This was meant to be a reply to the comment about the New York Opera going out of business.[/quote]

Not aimed at you TC.

CE

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=tc]I am a union stagehand. And I find that to be unacceptable.
I can also assure everyone that reads this that the stagehands in the San Diego theaters make enough to take care of their families and pay for a mortgage on a small house and no more. And many of us work 60+ hours a week.
Also the average non-union stagehand earns $14 an hour with no retirement or healthcare. So when they end up in the ER guess who ends up paying the bill.
And on a final note next time you go to a concert and look up to the 140,000 pounds of equipment over your head. Who do you want hanging it? A person making just enough to share an apartment with a bunch of other drug attics or a guy who has a family and a home to take care of.[/quote]

I’d want YOU to install it over my head, tc, with all of the professionalism you have always demonstrated.

You’re probably aware that SD isn’t NY and the salaries here are a far cry from those in NYC, yet the cost of living here is the same or close to NYC.

Some of these jobs which are “unionized” no doubt look like a walk in the park to a lot of these Piggs who likely couldn’t possibly perform them themselves. Nor would they live in the “small (modest?) house” you bought with your “lavish” union wages.

Case in point: your $14 hr non-union counterpart whose family may be regularly utilizing SD’s emergency rooms who may or may not be doing the exact same job as you and likely doesn’t stay past a year on the job.

Thanks for posting, tc.[/quote]

I have done this exact job as a non-union memember in Las Vegas and I can tell you the Union Guys werent that good. In fact many times my team was called in to do the job when the unions guy weren’t getting it done fast enough cause “this guy can only do this and that guy can only do that bullshit”.

So don’t tell me that shit BG about many Piggs being incapable… It’s insulting to the point I have to say somethine. Been there… done that… and stayed in school cause the jobs were a “nowhere” job and to expect anything more of it was ridiculous.

Stage rigging is not rocket science though I will admit it is tough work to turn a show in 24 hours and a certian degree of can-do and creativeness is required. That is true of any job.

And yes… they dont make that much money but I dont’ want to hear that bullshit comment “union guys do it better cause they are paid too.” Terrible arguement that continues to be brought up evey other minute on this site.

I am tired of your attitude concerning the white collar profesionals on this site. You have a case of white collar envy.

Most of us weren’t born with a silver spoon.

I came from a lower middle class broken home. I worked construction roofing houses three stories in the air. I worked for AD Scenery (if you want validation of my story). I have done all of those Dirty fucking jobs to get to where I am today as a degree’d engineer and I know a lot of ppl here went to the school of hard knock as well.

So for once get off your high fucking horse. If you had it so figured out, which you want ppl to think from your 1 page “googled” rants, why arent you suceeding more in life? Don’t tell us you are exactly where you want to be and doing what you want to do.

I could be a cop… or a firefighter… Plumber… or any other of these jobs… Why?!? Cause like I said I had to at on point in my life and knew that it was a stepping stone to another better job. I HAVE THE PYHSICAL APPITUDE. I HAVE THE MENTAL AS WELL. As many ppl on this board do.

So stop making poor assumptions of other and saying stupid things.

I will do any job that I have to in order to make it in this world.

Right now, my job, as an engineer, is to tell union people and non-union people… how to do theirs…

Shove it.

CE

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]Does he car drivers brake check the bikes, then after the bike hit them, the other car drivers surround the biker, pound his bike with helmet and fist?[/quote]

I had a traffic ticket in the past and i remember from my defensive driving class that you need to be far enough back from the vehicle in front of you so you can brake safely. It’s your own responsibility because the vehicle in front may brake suddenly.

I have been in cars where the driver get enraged and starts yelling because a biker splits traffic and zooms by. Guess what? The biker is allowed to do that.[/quote]

And the rider clearly “swooped and squat” on the Ranger Rover. The SUV is not going to out brake the motorcycle. Plus being surrounded by so many bikers he was probably trying to concentrate on the 10 or more bikes immediately surrounding his car and trying not to hit him as well.

So it is no wonder it happened.

Now you are just arguing to be a troll… Your logic in all of this is just as bad as the bikers.

Tell you what. You should join a group like that so that your terrible sense of logic could be validated by the uneducated unmoralistic mob mentality that was demonstrate in the video.

I second FLU’s orginal comment to you. Which is something I have never done on blog.

CE

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Because the facts show that he bumped into one of them. And he ran over one biker and didn’t stop as he should have.

Ignore the presumption that the bikers are part of a riding gang, or whatever. Explain the facts to determine guilt.[/quote]

Your fucking kidding right? Apparently you saw a video in which the man was not questioning whether is life was in danger.

Unbelievable. I hope you are never in that situation. I have. All you can think about is how your life is going to end very shortly and “fight or flight” instincts take over.

That is what happened here.

To say that the bikers were not the root cause of all this is simple immaturity.

CE

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Bikie?

Are you Australian?

CE

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Stupid Bikers…

They think they have it bad now… Wait till the City of NY bans more then 4 people riding together in a pack…

I am glad they got ran over. They acted like a gang… Bullied the motorist in their way and in general did anythign they wanted by using mob rule.

CE

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