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[quote=briansd1]RP being consistently wrong is not confidence inspiring.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve and letting individual banks issue notes does not make me feel financially secure.

I think that it’s important to change strategies to match new facts and realities. Isn’t it stupid to insist that the earth is flat when all the evidence points to it being round?[/quote]

Really Brian!:

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/

I can’t speak to how you FEEL….but this does speak to RP being right.

[aldante]

[quote=briansd1]RP being consistently wrong is not confidence inspiring.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve and letting individual banks issue notes does not make me feel financially secure.

I think that it’s important to change strategies to match new facts and realities. Isn’t it stupid to insist that the earth is flat when all the evidence points to it being round?[/quote]

Really Brian!:

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/

I can’t speak to how you FEEL….but this does speak to RP being right.

[aldante]

[quote=briansd1]RP being consistently wrong is not confidence inspiring.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve and letting individual banks issue notes does not make me feel financially secure.

I think that it’s important to change strategies to match new facts and realities. Isn’t it stupid to insist that the earth is flat when all the evidence points to it being round?[/quote]

Really Brian!:

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/

I can’t speak to how you FEEL….but this does speak to RP being right.

[aldante]

[quote=jpinpb]AN – No where does RP say he would allow abortion in health circumstances requiring it. He is against Roe V Wade. Period. In fact, he says the opposite, that he’s never seen a situation where it’s justified. Right there, he loses credibility on so many other issues, b/c I have to question his facts. Perhaps he was lucky enough to treat extremely healthy women. In any case, I do not want to digress and go totally off topic.

A woman should not have to leave the country or state. A woman who has some health issues that would cause her to have an abortion means she should be able to go to the nearest hospital and have that procedure done as quickly as possible.

Perhaps RP would feel better if there were more women graves than fetuses. If only we could send him back in time, or maybe to countries w/subpar healthcare where a pregnant woman has one step in the grave.

I would not wish on any woman to have to go through an abortion. More importantly, I would not want a woman to have do it illegally.

And if you know that death penalty and abortion are different topics, why interject it in the first place?[/quote]

I am struck that even on this board that the “Because it is legal it is right” subtext is evedint.
There is not a woman that I know who has had an abortion that is not guilt ridden. That includes men as well. Therefore some part of some peoples brain or heart or soul is telling them that it is not right to have an abortion out of “convenience”. Ron Paul has always attacted me becasue he is adroit at showing how so many of laws are so wrong – in the sense that they do not reflect either common sense or our collective sense of “right vs. wrong”. There is a huge swath of people who feel abortion for convenience sake is just murder. They have a right to have their voices heard. Maybe this is one of those issues that defines a civilization. What State sponsored abortion says about ours is your call I guess.
Any by the way can anyone on this board name a politician actively seeking office that is willing to say his personal truth on such a divisive topic?? I say it is about time we have someone represent us whom we know where he stands on all the topics. I do know agree with him on everything, but at least I am confident he won’t change his opinion just becasue a new poll comes out. That is what leadership and courage are all about. That is why you can pull up youtube videos from 2002(!!!!) and hear Ron Paul tell you what was going to happen today – and largely be right about it. BTW compare that to what any of the other candidates were saying at the time.

[aldante]

[quote=jpinpb]AN – No where does RP say he would allow abortion in health circumstances requiring it. He is against Roe V Wade. Period. In fact, he says the opposite, that he’s never seen a situation where it’s justified. Right there, he loses credibility on so many other issues, b/c I have to question his facts. Perhaps he was lucky enough to treat extremely healthy women. In any case, I do not want to digress and go totally off topic.

A woman should not have to leave the country or state. A woman who has some health issues that would cause her to have an abortion means she should be able to go to the nearest hospital and have that procedure done as quickly as possible.

Perhaps RP would feel better if there were more women graves than fetuses. If only we could send him back in time, or maybe to countries w/subpar healthcare where a pregnant woman has one step in the grave.

I would not wish on any woman to have to go through an abortion. More importantly, I would not want a woman to have do it illegally.

And if you know that death penalty and abortion are different topics, why interject it in the first place?[/quote]

I am struck that even on this board that the “Because it is legal it is right” subtext is evedint.
There is not a woman that I know who has had an abortion that is not guilt ridden. That includes men as well. Therefore some part of some peoples brain or heart or soul is telling them that it is not right to have an abortion out of “convenience”. Ron Paul has always attacted me becasue he is adroit at showing how so many of laws are so wrong – in the sense that they do not reflect either common sense or our collective sense of “right vs. wrong”. There is a huge swath of people who feel abortion for convenience sake is just murder. They have a right to have their voices heard. Maybe this is one of those issues that defines a civilization. What State sponsored abortion says about ours is your call I guess.
Any by the way can anyone on this board name a politician actively seeking office that is willing to say his personal truth on such a divisive topic?? I say it is about time we have someone represent us whom we know where he stands on all the topics. I do know agree with him on everything, but at least I am confident he won’t change his opinion just becasue a new poll comes out. That is what leadership and courage are all about. That is why you can pull up youtube videos from 2002(!!!!) and hear Ron Paul tell you what was going to happen today – and largely be right about it. BTW compare that to what any of the other candidates were saying at the time.

[aldante]

[quote=jpinpb]AN – No where does RP say he would allow abortion in health circumstances requiring it. He is against Roe V Wade. Period. In fact, he says the opposite, that he’s never seen a situation where it’s justified. Right there, he loses credibility on so many other issues, b/c I have to question his facts. Perhaps he was lucky enough to treat extremely healthy women. In any case, I do not want to digress and go totally off topic.

A woman should not have to leave the country or state. A woman who has some health issues that would cause her to have an abortion means she should be able to go to the nearest hospital and have that procedure done as quickly as possible.

Perhaps RP would feel better if there were more women graves than fetuses. If only we could send him back in time, or maybe to countries w/subpar healthcare where a pregnant woman has one step in the grave.

I would not wish on any woman to have to go through an abortion. More importantly, I would not want a woman to have do it illegally.

And if you know that death penalty and abortion are different topics, why interject it in the first place?[/quote]

I am struck that even on this board that the “Because it is legal it is right” subtext is evedint.
There is not a woman that I know who has had an abortion that is not guilt ridden. That includes men as well. Therefore some part of some peoples brain or heart or soul is telling them that it is not right to have an abortion out of “convenience”. Ron Paul has always attacted me becasue he is adroit at showing how so many of laws are so wrong – in the sense that they do not reflect either common sense or our collective sense of “right vs. wrong”. There is a huge swath of people who feel abortion for convenience sake is just murder. They have a right to have their voices heard. Maybe this is one of those issues that defines a civilization. What State sponsored abortion says about ours is your call I guess.
Any by the way can anyone on this board name a politician actively seeking office that is willing to say his personal truth on such a divisive topic?? I say it is about time we have someone represent us whom we know where he stands on all the topics. I do know agree with him on everything, but at least I am confident he won’t change his opinion just becasue a new poll comes out. That is what leadership and courage are all about. That is why you can pull up youtube videos from 2002(!!!!) and hear Ron Paul tell you what was going to happen today – and largely be right about it. BTW compare that to what any of the other candidates were saying at the time.

[aldante]

[quote=jpinpb]AN – No where does RP say he would allow abortion in health circumstances requiring it. He is against Roe V Wade. Period. In fact, he says the opposite, that he’s never seen a situation where it’s justified. Right there, he loses credibility on so many other issues, b/c I have to question his facts. Perhaps he was lucky enough to treat extremely healthy women. In any case, I do not want to digress and go totally off topic.

A woman should not have to leave the country or state. A woman who has some health issues that would cause her to have an abortion means she should be able to go to the nearest hospital and have that procedure done as quickly as possible.

Perhaps RP would feel better if there were more women graves than fetuses. If only we could send him back in time, or maybe to countries w/subpar healthcare where a pregnant woman has one step in the grave.

I would not wish on any woman to have to go through an abortion. More importantly, I would not want a woman to have do it illegally.

And if you know that death penalty and abortion are different topics, why interject it in the first place?[/quote]

I am struck that even on this board that the “Because it is legal it is right” subtext is evedint.
There is not a woman that I know who has had an abortion that is not guilt ridden. That includes men as well. Therefore some part of some peoples brain or heart or soul is telling them that it is not right to have an abortion out of “convenience”. Ron Paul has always attacted me becasue he is adroit at showing how so many of laws are so wrong – in the sense that they do not reflect either common sense or our collective sense of “right vs. wrong”. There is a huge swath of people who feel abortion for convenience sake is just murder. They have a right to have their voices heard. Maybe this is one of those issues that defines a civilization. What State sponsored abortion says about ours is your call I guess.
Any by the way can anyone on this board name a politician actively seeking office that is willing to say his personal truth on such a divisive topic?? I say it is about time we have someone represent us whom we know where he stands on all the topics. I do know agree with him on everything, but at least I am confident he won’t change his opinion just becasue a new poll comes out. That is what leadership and courage are all about. That is why you can pull up youtube videos from 2002(!!!!) and hear Ron Paul tell you what was going to happen today – and largely be right about it. BTW compare that to what any of the other candidates were saying at the time.

[aldante]

[quote=jpinpb]AN – No where does RP say he would allow abortion in health circumstances requiring it. He is against Roe V Wade. Period. In fact, he says the opposite, that he’s never seen a situation where it’s justified. Right there, he loses credibility on so many other issues, b/c I have to question his facts. Perhaps he was lucky enough to treat extremely healthy women. In any case, I do not want to digress and go totally off topic.

A woman should not have to leave the country or state. A woman who has some health issues that would cause her to have an abortion means she should be able to go to the nearest hospital and have that procedure done as quickly as possible.

Perhaps RP would feel better if there were more women graves than fetuses. If only we could send him back in time, or maybe to countries w/subpar healthcare where a pregnant woman has one step in the grave.

I would not wish on any woman to have to go through an abortion. More importantly, I would not want a woman to have do it illegally.

And if you know that death penalty and abortion are different topics, why interject it in the first place?[/quote]

I am struck that even on this board that the “Because it is legal it is right” subtext is evedint.
There is not a woman that I know who has had an abortion that is not guilt ridden. That includes men as well. Therefore some part of some peoples brain or heart or soul is telling them that it is not right to have an abortion out of “convenience”. Ron Paul has always attacted me becasue he is adroit at showing how so many of laws are so wrong – in the sense that they do not reflect either common sense or our collective sense of “right vs. wrong”. There is a huge swath of people who feel abortion for convenience sake is just murder. They have a right to have their voices heard. Maybe this is one of those issues that defines a civilization. What State sponsored abortion says about ours is your call I guess.
Any by the way can anyone on this board name a politician actively seeking office that is willing to say his personal truth on such a divisive topic?? I say it is about time we have someone represent us whom we know where he stands on all the topics. I do know agree with him on everything, but at least I am confident he won’t change his opinion just becasue a new poll comes out. That is what leadership and courage are all about. That is why you can pull up youtube videos from 2002(!!!!) and hear Ron Paul tell you what was going to happen today – and largely be right about it. BTW compare that to what any of the other candidates were saying at the time.

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That is easy. He won the cpac straw poll 2 YEARS in a row. He won the straw poll in New Orleans…he was on top of a Rasmussen poll a couple of months ago as the republican who can beat Obama……….there are more

[aldante]

That is easy. He won the cpac straw poll 2 YEARS in a row. He won the straw poll in New Orleans…he was on top of a Rasmussen poll a couple of months ago as the republican who can beat Obama……….there are more

[aldante]

That is easy. He won the cpac straw poll 2 YEARS in a row. He won the straw poll in New Orleans…he was on top of a Rasmussen poll a couple of months ago as the republican who can beat Obama……….there are more

[aldante]

That is easy. He won the cpac straw poll 2 YEARS in a row. He won the straw poll in New Orleans…he was on top of a Rasmussen poll a couple of months ago as the republican who can beat Obama……….there are more

[aldante]

That is easy. He won the cpac straw poll 2 YEARS in a row. He won the straw poll in New Orleans…he was on top of a Rasmussen poll a couple of months ago as the republican who can beat Obama……….there are more

[aldante]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]I like his Ideas about getting the heck out of these meaningless wars and just staying the heck out of the Middle East in general.
But while I am sure china deserves to be paid back the full value of every penny we borrowed (NOT!!) I think the gold standard would be a disaster at this point.
Also while the fed did disastrous things in not preventing the recent housing bubble (I still say they knew exactly what they were and are doing and really it’s their marching orders) although I am not quite sure why or what they are attempting to do.
(Really you honestly think Greenspan did not know exactly what he was doing ?)
But in reality The fed has presided over the most prosperous 100 years in any nation in history so…

Also I have no desire to go back to the robber baron days[/quote]

What would the last 100 years been like without the FED? There is a lot of reasons this country has done well specificly our natural resources. Central banking was tried in this country twice before and failed. There is no arguement from me that stong banks lead to a strong economy but to control the money supply? Speaking of which: Ron Paul just wants to make it legal to use GOLD AND SILVER to pay for goods and services. His conclusion is that they will eventually win out over FRN’s – that all. Why do we have to pay cap gains on gold and silver?? The consitution says that they are money.
If you are really curious about what the Robber Barons vis a vi Ron Paul – you should read THE LAW by Frederic Basiat. There is a PROPER ROLE for government. Its role is to protect individual liberty. Companies that are back by the US goverment take away our liberty. That is his problem with the size of Governemnet. How in the world can a little guy (let’s pretend someone who is VIRTUIOUS) start a bank when GS and MSDW recieve BILLIONS of $$ from the US government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is an example of how our government (even if is well intentioned) interferes with our lives.

[aldante]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]I like his Ideas about getting the heck out of these meaningless wars and just staying the heck out of the Middle East in general.
But while I am sure china deserves to be paid back the full value of every penny we borrowed (NOT!!) I think the gold standard would be a disaster at this point.
Also while the fed did disastrous things in not preventing the recent housing bubble (I still say they knew exactly what they were and are doing and really it’s their marching orders) although I am not quite sure why or what they are attempting to do.
(Really you honestly think Greenspan did not know exactly what he was doing ?)
But in reality The fed has presided over the most prosperous 100 years in any nation in history so…

Also I have no desire to go back to the robber baron days[/quote]

What would the last 100 years been like without the FED? There is a lot of reasons this country has done well specificly our natural resources. Central banking was tried in this country twice before and failed. There is no arguement from me that stong banks lead to a strong economy but to control the money supply? Speaking of which: Ron Paul just wants to make it legal to use GOLD AND SILVER to pay for goods and services. His conclusion is that they will eventually win out over FRN’s – that all. Why do we have to pay cap gains on gold and silver?? The consitution says that they are money.
If you are really curious about what the Robber Barons vis a vi Ron Paul – you should read THE LAW by Frederic Basiat. There is a PROPER ROLE for government. Its role is to protect individual liberty. Companies that are back by the US goverment take away our liberty. That is his problem with the size of Governemnet. How in the world can a little guy (let’s pretend someone who is VIRTUIOUS) start a bank when GS and MSDW recieve BILLIONS of $$ from the US government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is an example of how our government (even if is well intentioned) interferes with our lives.

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