Younger workers everywhere

[millennial]

[quote=bearishgurl]we didn’t have them one after another in immediate succession (at least not planned), like I see multiple families headed by millenials do. We couldn’t because FT daycare for 2+ kids at a time (without assistance from relatives) took up too much of a chunk of our paychecks. [/quote] This is more dribble with no fact checking. It might be true, and it might relate to your personal opinion. It makes you sound like you think we are a bunch of irresponsible kids who don’t have fiscal sense. Personally I know a lot of people who space them out, but I think that’s more of a personal choice. I spend a lot of money a month >$4k on schooling and day care, but again I don’t want to be 65 and paying for college.

[quote=bearishgurl]
I don’t know any boomers who are heavily indebted (secured or unsecured) and thus would need to keep working FT to pay off debt.[/quote]

I don’t think I ever said it was to pay off debt. My first assumption would be that most people at that age would/should have little debt and will be using their 401k to maintain their existing lifestyle with pension/ss included.

[The-Shoveler]

I don’t buy that, I know a lot of pilots and talked to more than a few air-traffic controllers, it has always been this way (I have been a private pilot since the early 80’s BTW)

see Pushing Tin, very funny movie, part of it was about working Christmas etc..

[millennial]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Nurses, Doctors, Police, fireman, Grocery, Plummers, Judge, Road workers, construction, anyone who has to interface with the public … 90% of the jobs out there.

Pilots and Air-traffic controllers often complain about their tough schedules actually.[/quote]

A lot of Doctors I know have the ability to flexible. For instance, I have a buddy who worked a 50 hour shift last week and since things are slow this week decided to free up his schedule for a few days to play some golf. Not sure why plumbers couldn’t do the same thing.

Judges are government employees so they may be able to request for flex hours. I have buddies (including my father) who work/ed for government and are able to do 6 days a week/10 hours days per week and/ have flexible hours when they need to come in. Not sure why you couldn’t do the same for construction or grocery.

[skerzz]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Nurses, Doctors, Police, fireman, Grocery, Plummers, Judge, Road workers, construction, anyone who has to interface with the public … 90% of the jobs out there.

Pilots and Air-traffic controllers often complain about their tough schedules actually.[/quote]

Nurses, police, and firemen have mostly adopted flex schedules — do you know anyone in these professions that work a standard 5-day workweek? According the the 2014 BLS data (http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm), 18% of jobs are in the financial activities and business/professional services sector. These two service sectors alone (18% of jobs) provide significant opportunity to implement flexible working arrangements/schedules. I can tell you from first hand experience that the largest employers in the business/professional services sector are in fact aggressively moving towards more flexible work arrangements.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t buy that, I know a lot of pilots and talked to more than a few air-traffic controllers, it has always been this way (I have been a private pilot since the early 80’s BTW)

see Pushing Tin, very funny movie, part of it was about working Christmas etc..[/quote]

Starting pay for pilots is very low now….

And remember Reagan busted the air traffic controllers? It’s never been the same.

Norwegian airlines is entering the US market… The legacy carriers are not happy because Norwegian uses international rules to hire people from Philippines, etc…
But really, foreign workers work harder than US workers… They are more pleasant and provide better customer service. Let’s be honest and call it what it is.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi1][quote=The-Shoveler]OK, but I find it hard to see how flex time and flex location in most occupations other than tech would even work.[/quote]

You will be surprised how many fields flex time and/ location works. For instance, I’ve even heard of flight controllers who direct traffic that are able to do their job in remote areas off Miramar road for airports in Burbank and Long Beach.

I’m in finance and work with companies on both coasts and can work with international clients if necessary.

In a previous job I worked with a developer who never left his home and he was able to manage a large portfolio of commercial real estate properties by having people email pictures of sites.

A lot of this has to do with the change of perceptions. Obviously face-to-face contact is better, but Skype/facetime/teleconference is acceptable and just as effective in many cases. This is the same as handwritten letters vs. emails.[/quote]Just saw this, yamashi. I thought you might be a financial advisor of some sort (have an individual client-oriented customer-service position).

[millennial]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=The-Shoveler]OK, but I find it hard to see how flex time and flex location in most occupations other than tech would even work.[/quote]Bingo, shoveler! Admitted millenial yamashi1 stated he worked in finance. (Please correct me if I have this wrong, yamashi.) Does he actually see his employer’s clients in his home office? I could see him being able to log into his work servers from home and maybe put together some charts and reports from his home office but that’s where it ends. What about meetings, customers and clients? Am I missing something here??[/quote]

Yes, I believe that I said that perception has changed. Although meeting clients face to face is nice, it is no longer necessary as this perception has changed. I am able to use facetime/Skype/teleconferencing in place. My company loves it since I spend less on air and hotel expenses and the client likes it cause we can communicate effectively and able to get things done quicker.

[The-Shoveler]

OK, we will see how that works, I will try to remember to bring this link back up in 10 years,

The Millennials we have hired recently don’t seem to be complaining so far, they seem happy working (sometime 6-7 days a week during crunch time).

Anyway I don’t think the next 10-15 years will be all that much different than the last 20. We will see I guess.

I do know a few Doctors and nurses, after working a grueling 24 hour shift, they need at least a day to recover, it’s brutal. Anyway good luck.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi1][quote=bearishgurl]we didn’t have them one after another in immediate succession (at least not planned), like I see multiple families headed by millenials do. We couldn’t because FT daycare for 2+ kids at a time (without assistance from relatives) took up too much of a chunk of our paychecks. [/quote] This is more dribble with no fact checking. It might be true, and it might relate to your personal opinion. It makes you sound like you think we are a bunch of irresponsible kids who don’t have fiscal sense. Personally I know a lot of people who space them out, but I think that’s more of a personal choice. I spend a lot of money a month >$4k on schooling and day care, but again I don’t want to be 65 and paying for college.[/quote]yamashi, my kids are millenials but I don’t have any grandkids. My frame of reference are several families who are neighbors. All but one of them are renters and all have children. They range in age from 22-38 and have 2-7 kids and 3 of these families currently have more kids on the way. In all cases, one of the parents has never worked, which doesn’t bode well for being able to send any of these kids to college, but whatever …. There is no way in h@ll that I would ever have 2-3 kids in diapers at once and all too young to even attend 1st grade for the bulk of the day. In my mind, that’s “purposeful entrapment” but to each his/her own :-0.

The one family that owns their home bought it with in-laws on title because they could not qualify for it by themselves.

[FlyerInHi]

Yea, bring it back in 10 years. We will see how much cooler it is to live closer to the urban core. And yes, there is still land to build closer to the city.
Civita in mission valley, or temecula. The choice is easy. Remember those urban housing products didn’t exist before.

[millennial]

[quote=The-Shoveler]OK, we will see how that works, I will try to remember to bring this link back up in 10 years,

The Millennials we have hired recently don’t seem to be complaining so far, they seem happy working (sometime 6-7 days a week during crunch time).

Anyway I don’t think the next 10-15 years will be all that much different than the last 20. We will see I guess.[/quote]

Shoveler, I’m not saying they should be complaining…not sure why but you seem to be equating flextime/working remotely = millenials = not working. Trust me, I have flexibility in my job, but as I said before when I have things to do I can be working for 14-18 hours a day if necessary. Listen, us Millenials are all about the bottom line, working hard and doing a job right. Only said that we are against being in front of the desk for no reason (face time) and a company that doesn’t promote based on meritocracy.

I saw this article on Wikipedia (I know not exactly irrefutable evidence)about Millenials and this is what I’m talking about

“Some employers are concerned that Millennials have too great expectations from the workplace.[37] Some studies predict they will switch jobs frequently, holding many more jobs than Gen Xers due to their great expectations.[38] Newer research shows that Millennials change jobs for the same reasons as other generations—namely, more money and a more innovative work environment. They look for versatility and flexibility in the workplace, and strive for a strong work–life balance in their jobs.[39] and have similar career aspirations to other generations, valuing financial security and a diverse workplace just as much as their older colleagues.[40] Educational sociologist Andy Furlong described Millennials as optimistic, engaged, and team players.[41]”

[The-Shoveler]

I never said working remotely = not working,

Just that it’s for the few, not the many.

Some can do it and they are so good no one says anything, others are let go the next purge cycle.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Yea, bring it back in 10 years. We will see how much cooler it is to live closer to the urban core. And yes, there is still land to build closer to the city.
Civita in mission valley, or temecula. The choice is easy. Remember those urban housing products didn’t exist before.[/quote]

OK. let see in 10 years.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi1][quote=bearishgurl][quote=The-Shoveler]OK, but I find it hard to see how flex time and flex location in most occupations other than tech would even work.[/quote]Bingo, shoveler! Admitted millenial yamashi1 stated he worked in finance. (Please correct me if I have this wrong, yamashi.) Does he actually see his employer’s clients in his home office? I could see him being able to log into his work servers from home and maybe put together some charts and reports from his home office but that’s where it ends. What about meetings, customers and clients? Am I missing something here??[/quote]

Yes, I believe that I said that perception has changed. Although meeting clients face to face is nice, it is no longer necessary as this perception has changed. I am able to use facetime/Skype/teleconferencing in place. My company loves it since I spend less on air and hotel expenses and the client likes it cause we can communicate effectively and able to get things done quicker.[/quote]Yes, I didn’t realize that your “clients” are actually companies that may or may not be located in CA.

[bearishgurl]

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