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October 30, 2008 at 4:40 PM #295755October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM #295395
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Participant[quote=fredo4]This might be off topic but IMO It’s the hispanics and philipinos that are going to save us from having the same fate as most of Europe. They tend to do most of the reproducing around here. Thus, the changing demographics of the Catholic Church and the entire country.[/quote]
I’m wholeheartedly in favor of reproduction; I already did more than my fair share. I can’t say that I am against poor people without high school diplomas (which is very typical of Californian hispanics) – I recognize their need to live somewhere, I just don’t want to live in the same neighborhood with them.
I am against failure to assimilate. What do I mean by that? An example. Public-school students whose primary language is not English are given annual English proficiency tests. What’s the likelihood for a San Diego County student to pass this test by the time he gets into middle school?
For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%Questions to be asked:
– How is it possible for a 12-year old who grew up in the United States not to speak English fluently?
– Will this student be able to get into a good college and find a well-paid job?
– Spanish is relatively similar to English; Mandarin and Tagalog have nothing in common with English. Why is it that East Asian children are so much more likely to learn English than hispanics?
– Is that the kind of “saving” you really want?Europe has many of the same problems. Instead of hispanics, France has Arabs from Algeria, Germany has Turks, UK has Indians, Pakistanis, and Somalians.
October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM #295732Participant[quote=fredo4]This might be off topic but IMO It’s the hispanics and philipinos that are going to save us from having the same fate as most of Europe. They tend to do most of the reproducing around here. Thus, the changing demographics of the Catholic Church and the entire country.[/quote]
I’m wholeheartedly in favor of reproduction; I already did more than my fair share. I can’t say that I am against poor people without high school diplomas (which is very typical of Californian hispanics) – I recognize their need to live somewhere, I just don’t want to live in the same neighborhood with them.
I am against failure to assimilate. What do I mean by that? An example. Public-school students whose primary language is not English are given annual English proficiency tests. What’s the likelihood for a San Diego County student to pass this test by the time he gets into middle school?
For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%Questions to be asked:
– How is it possible for a 12-year old who grew up in the United States not to speak English fluently?
– Will this student be able to get into a good college and find a well-paid job?
– Spanish is relatively similar to English; Mandarin and Tagalog have nothing in common with English. Why is it that East Asian children are so much more likely to learn English than hispanics?
– Is that the kind of “saving” you really want?Europe has many of the same problems. Instead of hispanics, France has Arabs from Algeria, Germany has Turks, UK has Indians, Pakistanis, and Somalians.
October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM #295754Participant[quote=fredo4]This might be off topic but IMO It’s the hispanics and philipinos that are going to save us from having the same fate as most of Europe. They tend to do most of the reproducing around here. Thus, the changing demographics of the Catholic Church and the entire country.[/quote]
I’m wholeheartedly in favor of reproduction; I already did more than my fair share. I can’t say that I am against poor people without high school diplomas (which is very typical of Californian hispanics) – I recognize their need to live somewhere, I just don’t want to live in the same neighborhood with them.
I am against failure to assimilate. What do I mean by that? An example. Public-school students whose primary language is not English are given annual English proficiency tests. What’s the likelihood for a San Diego County student to pass this test by the time he gets into middle school?
For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%Questions to be asked:
– How is it possible for a 12-year old who grew up in the United States not to speak English fluently?
– Will this student be able to get into a good college and find a well-paid job?
– Spanish is relatively similar to English; Mandarin and Tagalog have nothing in common with English. Why is it that East Asian children are so much more likely to learn English than hispanics?
– Is that the kind of “saving” you really want?Europe has many of the same problems. Instead of hispanics, France has Arabs from Algeria, Germany has Turks, UK has Indians, Pakistanis, and Somalians.
October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM #295766Participant[quote=fredo4]This might be off topic but IMO It’s the hispanics and philipinos that are going to save us from having the same fate as most of Europe. They tend to do most of the reproducing around here. Thus, the changing demographics of the Catholic Church and the entire country.[/quote]
I’m wholeheartedly in favor of reproduction; I already did more than my fair share. I can’t say that I am against poor people without high school diplomas (which is very typical of Californian hispanics) – I recognize their need to live somewhere, I just don’t want to live in the same neighborhood with them.
I am against failure to assimilate. What do I mean by that? An example. Public-school students whose primary language is not English are given annual English proficiency tests. What’s the likelihood for a San Diego County student to pass this test by the time he gets into middle school?
For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%Questions to be asked:
– How is it possible for a 12-year old who grew up in the United States not to speak English fluently?
– Will this student be able to get into a good college and find a well-paid job?
– Spanish is relatively similar to English; Mandarin and Tagalog have nothing in common with English. Why is it that East Asian children are so much more likely to learn English than hispanics?
– Is that the kind of “saving” you really want?Europe has many of the same problems. Instead of hispanics, France has Arabs from Algeria, Germany has Turks, UK has Indians, Pakistanis, and Somalians.
October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM #295805Participant[quote=fredo4]This might be off topic but IMO It’s the hispanics and philipinos that are going to save us from having the same fate as most of Europe. They tend to do most of the reproducing around here. Thus, the changing demographics of the Catholic Church and the entire country.[/quote]
I’m wholeheartedly in favor of reproduction; I already did more than my fair share. I can’t say that I am against poor people without high school diplomas (which is very typical of Californian hispanics) – I recognize their need to live somewhere, I just don’t want to live in the same neighborhood with them.
I am against failure to assimilate. What do I mean by that? An example. Public-school students whose primary language is not English are given annual English proficiency tests. What’s the likelihood for a San Diego County student to pass this test by the time he gets into middle school?
For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%Questions to be asked:
– How is it possible for a 12-year old who grew up in the United States not to speak English fluently?
– Will this student be able to get into a good college and find a well-paid job?
– Spanish is relatively similar to English; Mandarin and Tagalog have nothing in common with English. Why is it that East Asian children are so much more likely to learn English than hispanics?
– Is that the kind of “saving” you really want?Europe has many of the same problems. Instead of hispanics, France has Arabs from Algeria, Germany has Turks, UK has Indians, Pakistanis, and Somalians.
October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM #295405afx114
Participant[quote=esmith]For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%
[/quote]Where do you get your statistics? I know that this is only anecdotal, but every Mexican-American I know speaks English. Even amongst their Mexican-American friends and families. And I know a lot of Mexican-Americans.
It usually takes a generation to become fully assimilated. Immigrants might not speak English, but their kids definitely will. And those kids’ kids will probably not know much Spanish. I see this first hand amongst numerous Mexican-American families, where grandchildren are unable to converse with their grandparents. It’s not just language either — other cultural beliefs are usually completely removed/replaced after the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Culture and language are complex beasts. They are not something that can be dismantled and re-configured with ease.
October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM #295742Participant[quote=esmith]For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%
[/quote]Where do you get your statistics? I know that this is only anecdotal, but every Mexican-American I know speaks English. Even amongst their Mexican-American friends and families. And I know a lot of Mexican-Americans.
It usually takes a generation to become fully assimilated. Immigrants might not speak English, but their kids definitely will. And those kids’ kids will probably not know much Spanish. I see this first hand amongst numerous Mexican-American families, where grandchildren are unable to converse with their grandparents. It’s not just language either — other cultural beliefs are usually completely removed/replaced after the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Culture and language are complex beasts. They are not something that can be dismantled and re-configured with ease.
October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM #295764Participant[quote=esmith]For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%
[/quote]Where do you get your statistics? I know that this is only anecdotal, but every Mexican-American I know speaks English. Even amongst their Mexican-American friends and families. And I know a lot of Mexican-Americans.
It usually takes a generation to become fully assimilated. Immigrants might not speak English, but their kids definitely will. And those kids’ kids will probably not know much Spanish. I see this first hand amongst numerous Mexican-American families, where grandchildren are unable to converse with their grandparents. It’s not just language either — other cultural beliefs are usually completely removed/replaced after the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Culture and language are complex beasts. They are not something that can be dismantled and re-configured with ease.
October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM #295776Participant[quote=esmith]For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%
[/quote]Where do you get your statistics? I know that this is only anecdotal, but every Mexican-American I know speaks English. Even amongst their Mexican-American friends and families. And I know a lot of Mexican-Americans.
It usually takes a generation to become fully assimilated. Immigrants might not speak English, but their kids definitely will. And those kids’ kids will probably not know much Spanish. I see this first hand amongst numerous Mexican-American families, where grandchildren are unable to converse with their grandparents. It’s not just language either — other cultural beliefs are usually completely removed/replaced after the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Culture and language are complex beasts. They are not something that can be dismantled and re-configured with ease.
October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM #295815Participant[quote=esmith]For a Mandarin-speaking student: 85% (in fact, two thirds of those pass the test by grade 3)
For a Vietnamese or Filipino student: 70%
For a Spanish-speaking student: 38%
[/quote]Where do you get your statistics? I know that this is only anecdotal, but every Mexican-American I know speaks English. Even amongst their Mexican-American friends and families. And I know a lot of Mexican-Americans.
It usually takes a generation to become fully assimilated. Immigrants might not speak English, but their kids definitely will. And those kids’ kids will probably not know much Spanish. I see this first hand amongst numerous Mexican-American families, where grandchildren are unable to converse with their grandparents. It’s not just language either — other cultural beliefs are usually completely removed/replaced after the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Culture and language are complex beasts. They are not something that can be dismantled and re-configured with ease.
October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM #295419Participant[quote=afx114]The question is “What is so bad about Oceanside?” and one of the answers is “most schools in Oceanside have fewer than 25% of white students.”
That’s fucked up.[/quote]
It’s not, and here is why:
October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM #295757Participant[quote=afx114]The question is “What is so bad about Oceanside?” and one of the answers is “most schools in Oceanside have fewer than 25% of white students.”
That’s fucked up.[/quote]
It’s not, and here is why:
October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM #295779Participant[quote=afx114]The question is “What is so bad about Oceanside?” and one of the answers is “most schools in Oceanside have fewer than 25% of white students.”
That’s fucked up.[/quote]
It’s not, and here is why:
October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM #295791Participant[quote=afx114]The question is “What is so bad about Oceanside?” and one of the answers is “most schools in Oceanside have fewer than 25% of white students.”
That’s fucked up.[/quote]
It’s not, and here is why:
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