What is so bad about Oceanside?

[CA renter]

We lived in O’side for over six years in a barrio-adjacent n’hood (some would call our area a barrio as well). My mother lived there for almost 15 years (until she passed away) and absolutely loved O’side.

Like everything in life, it’s all relative. We had some really wonderful neighbors and some pretty bad ones. There were local shootings; and around the time we left, there were almost daily car break-ins just on our street (this went on for about a month or so).

Like the others said, there are some good areas and some bad areas. I like the Fire Mountain area as well, and they have some fantastic, older homes on nice lots. Many of them have ocean views.

The harbor is one of San Diego County’s jewels, and there is plenty of convenient shopping.

The downside is it takes a long time to get anywhere.

It is a good option if one works in south Orange County, but cannot afford OC prices.

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[/quote][quote=foster]Well actually it is pretty easy for kids under 14. Going from Spanish to English is not that huge of a leap. A complex beast. Hardly. My stepdaughter spoke zero English when she came to the USA at age 9. Her native language was Spanish. She was fluent in English a year later and now at 14 she speaks better English than most adults who were born in the USA. It’s has a lot to do with the parent(s),the school of choice, and the child’s friends. It can be done. Saying Spanish kids aren’t learning English faster because language is a complex beast is a cop-out. [/quote]

Is she around family that speaks English? If so, your step-daughter has an advantage that most immigrants do not.

Do you think she would have learned as well if she went home every night to a Spanish speaking family in a Spanish speaking area with Spanish speaking neighbors? Most first-generation immigrants learn English in school — the usual grammar, vocab, etc — but when they go home they have no one to speak English to, so it’s a whole different ballgame.

My point is that it’s the second generation that makes the jump to using English as a first language.

Lets try this experiment, especially for those of you who have never traveled. Imagine uprooting your life and moving to say, I dunno, Italy. You don’t know a lick of Italian. How long do you think it would take you to be fluent in Italian? Would you ever be? Chances are you’d find English speakers to congregate with, simply because it’s easier and more comfortable. You’d have English-speaking friends, go to English-speaking bars/restaurants. Would you speak Italian with your English-speaking friends? Probably not. But if you had kids while in Italy, their first language would be Italian and they’d probably look down on you for speaking English to your friends in Italy.

You never know your second language as well as your first. What I’ve found:

1) Immigrant – mainly speaks native language, knows a few words/phrases of the new language to get by.
2) 1st generation – Learns how to properly comprehend/speak 2nd language, but still uses the family’s native language when around group #1
3) 2nd generation – Knows the new language as their first, speaks very little of their grandparent’s language.

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[/quote][quote=foster]Well actually it is pretty easy for kids under 14. Going from Spanish to English is not that huge of a leap. A complex beast. Hardly. My stepdaughter spoke zero English when she came to the USA at age 9. Her native language was Spanish. She was fluent in English a year later and now at 14 she speaks better English than most adults who were born in the USA. It’s has a lot to do with the parent(s),the school of choice, and the child’s friends. It can be done. Saying Spanish kids aren’t learning English faster because language is a complex beast is a cop-out. [/quote]

Is she around family that speaks English? If so, your step-daughter has an advantage that most immigrants do not.

Do you think she would have learned as well if she went home every night to a Spanish speaking family in a Spanish speaking area with Spanish speaking neighbors? Most first-generation immigrants learn English in school — the usual grammar, vocab, etc — but when they go home they have no one to speak English to, so it’s a whole different ballgame.

My point is that it’s the second generation that makes the jump to using English as a first language.

Lets try this experiment, especially for those of you who have never traveled. Imagine uprooting your life and moving to say, I dunno, Italy. You don’t know a lick of Italian. How long do you think it would take you to be fluent in Italian? Would you ever be? Chances are you’d find English speakers to congregate with, simply because it’s easier and more comfortable. You’d have English-speaking friends, go to English-speaking bars/restaurants. Would you speak Italian with your English-speaking friends? Probably not. But if you had kids while in Italy, their first language would be Italian and they’d probably look down on you for speaking English to your friends in Italy.

You never know your second language as well as your first. What I’ve found:

1) Immigrant – mainly speaks native language, knows a few words/phrases of the new language to get by.
2) 1st generation – Learns how to properly comprehend/speak 2nd language, but still uses the family’s native language when around group #1
3) 2nd generation – Knows the new language as their first, speaks very little of their grandparent’s language.

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[/quote][quote=foster]Well actually it is pretty easy for kids under 14. Going from Spanish to English is not that huge of a leap. A complex beast. Hardly. My stepdaughter spoke zero English when she came to the USA at age 9. Her native language was Spanish. She was fluent in English a year later and now at 14 she speaks better English than most adults who were born in the USA. It’s has a lot to do with the parent(s),the school of choice, and the child’s friends. It can be done. Saying Spanish kids aren’t learning English faster because language is a complex beast is a cop-out. [/quote]

Is she around family that speaks English? If so, your step-daughter has an advantage that most immigrants do not.

Do you think she would have learned as well if she went home every night to a Spanish speaking family in a Spanish speaking area with Spanish speaking neighbors? Most first-generation immigrants learn English in school — the usual grammar, vocab, etc — but when they go home they have no one to speak English to, so it’s a whole different ballgame.

My point is that it’s the second generation that makes the jump to using English as a first language.

Lets try this experiment, especially for those of you who have never traveled. Imagine uprooting your life and moving to say, I dunno, Italy. You don’t know a lick of Italian. How long do you think it would take you to be fluent in Italian? Would you ever be? Chances are you’d find English speakers to congregate with, simply because it’s easier and more comfortable. You’d have English-speaking friends, go to English-speaking bars/restaurants. Would you speak Italian with your English-speaking friends? Probably not. But if you had kids while in Italy, their first language would be Italian and they’d probably look down on you for speaking English to your friends in Italy.

You never know your second language as well as your first. What I’ve found:

1) Immigrant – mainly speaks native language, knows a few words/phrases of the new language to get by.
2) 1st generation – Learns how to properly comprehend/speak 2nd language, but still uses the family’s native language when around group #1
3) 2nd generation – Knows the new language as their first, speaks very little of their grandparent’s language.

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[/quote][quote=foster]Well actually it is pretty easy for kids under 14. Going from Spanish to English is not that huge of a leap. A complex beast. Hardly. My stepdaughter spoke zero English when she came to the USA at age 9. Her native language was Spanish. She was fluent in English a year later and now at 14 she speaks better English than most adults who were born in the USA. It’s has a lot to do with the parent(s),the school of choice, and the child’s friends. It can be done. Saying Spanish kids aren’t learning English faster because language is a complex beast is a cop-out. [/quote]

Is she around family that speaks English? If so, your step-daughter has an advantage that most immigrants do not.

Do you think she would have learned as well if she went home every night to a Spanish speaking family in a Spanish speaking area with Spanish speaking neighbors? Most first-generation immigrants learn English in school — the usual grammar, vocab, etc — but when they go home they have no one to speak English to, so it’s a whole different ballgame.

My point is that it’s the second generation that makes the jump to using English as a first language.

Lets try this experiment, especially for those of you who have never traveled. Imagine uprooting your life and moving to say, I dunno, Italy. You don’t know a lick of Italian. How long do you think it would take you to be fluent in Italian? Would you ever be? Chances are you’d find English speakers to congregate with, simply because it’s easier and more comfortable. You’d have English-speaking friends, go to English-speaking bars/restaurants. Would you speak Italian with your English-speaking friends? Probably not. But if you had kids while in Italy, their first language would be Italian and they’d probably look down on you for speaking English to your friends in Italy.

You never know your second language as well as your first. What I’ve found:

1) Immigrant – mainly speaks native language, knows a few words/phrases of the new language to get by.
2) 1st generation – Learns how to properly comprehend/speak 2nd language, but still uses the family’s native language when around group #1
3) 2nd generation – Knows the new language as their first, speaks very little of their grandparent’s language.

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[/quote][quote=foster]Well actually it is pretty easy for kids under 14. Going from Spanish to English is not that huge of a leap. A complex beast. Hardly. My stepdaughter spoke zero English when she came to the USA at age 9. Her native language was Spanish. She was fluent in English a year later and now at 14 she speaks better English than most adults who were born in the USA. It’s has a lot to do with the parent(s),the school of choice, and the child’s friends. It can be done. Saying Spanish kids aren’t learning English faster because language is a complex beast is a cop-out. [/quote]

Is she around family that speaks English? If so, your step-daughter has an advantage that most immigrants do not.

Do you think she would have learned as well if she went home every night to a Spanish speaking family in a Spanish speaking area with Spanish speaking neighbors? Most first-generation immigrants learn English in school — the usual grammar, vocab, etc — but when they go home they have no one to speak English to, so it’s a whole different ballgame.

My point is that it’s the second generation that makes the jump to using English as a first language.

Lets try this experiment, especially for those of you who have never traveled. Imagine uprooting your life and moving to say, I dunno, Italy. You don’t know a lick of Italian. How long do you think it would take you to be fluent in Italian? Would you ever be? Chances are you’d find English speakers to congregate with, simply because it’s easier and more comfortable. You’d have English-speaking friends, go to English-speaking bars/restaurants. Would you speak Italian with your English-speaking friends? Probably not. But if you had kids while in Italy, their first language would be Italian and they’d probably look down on you for speaking English to your friends in Italy.

You never know your second language as well as your first. What I’ve found:

1) Immigrant – mainly speaks native language, knows a few words/phrases of the new language to get by.
2) 1st generation – Learns how to properly comprehend/speak 2nd language, but still uses the family’s native language when around group #1
3) 2nd generation – Knows the new language as their first, speaks very little of their grandparent’s language.

[themorgansplace]

I live and work in Oceanside. I moved here 2 1/2 years ago and before that I lived in Carlsbad for about 2 years (also lived in Phoenix for 10 months in between there). My wife and I have been married for 5 years and she spent almost 30 years living in North County and knows this area well. Oceanside used to be a lot worse but has been slowly building a nicer reputation. Less drag queens walking the streets, new development down by the pier, etc. etc. . However, I do know that the Samoan gang activity in Oceanside is very active as well as the Mexican gangs. Since I live by the coast and work in East Oceanside, I see pretty much all of Oceanside daily.

From I-5 west to the beach along the entire coast, you will get a lot of “fair” places to live. From I-5 east for about 5 blocks right off Mission Ave is pure trash. I happen to live in the condo community one block east of that “trash” neighborhood. North of 76 Hwy has about 20% “fair” places to live but outside of that, count on installing steel bars on your windows and doors. South of 76 Hwy near College Blvd is BEAUTIFUL and middle to middle upper class upscale homes although cookie cutter like the poster mentioned. South of 76 Hwy near the Oceanside Airport, keep a gun handy. if you are ever given directions using the street name of Douglas off 76 Hwy, you need to lock your doors in your car. Also along the Vista border is something to be desired but safer than 92057.

What I have pretty much done is avoid anything in the 92057 area code for the reasons listed above as well as anything coastal. Stick with Rancho del Oro area and nearby and you’ll feel upper class in Oceanside.

As for the racial remarks in this thread, tell me why the bad areas I just listed are predominately Hispanic and not white while the nice areas I just mentioned are predominately white and not Hispanic? Injustice or an obvious pattern? I just went to the store yesterday off Mission Ave and had to ask the lady if she spoke English. She said no. Where do I go shopping to speak my own native English language?

I’m white and before you judge me, know that I have a close friend who is Mexican (with parents that migrated from Mexico) and he just bought a house in Vista. We talked about the various Oceanside neighborhoods and he said “Hell No” to 92057. He’s also an educated college grad with standards unlike the people in these neighborhoods. Fortunately my kids have grandparents in Carlsbad and will be putting our kids into a decent school there until I can get a house in Temecula when the market bottoms out.

[themorgansplace]

I live and work in Oceanside. I moved here 2 1/2 years ago and before that I lived in Carlsbad for about 2 years (also lived in Phoenix for 10 months in between there). My wife and I have been married for 5 years and she spent almost 30 years living in North County and knows this area well. Oceanside used to be a lot worse but has been slowly building a nicer reputation. Less drag queens walking the streets, new development down by the pier, etc. etc. . However, I do know that the Samoan gang activity in Oceanside is very active as well as the Mexican gangs. Since I live by the coast and work in East Oceanside, I see pretty much all of Oceanside daily.

From I-5 west to the beach along the entire coast, you will get a lot of “fair” places to live. From I-5 east for about 5 blocks right off Mission Ave is pure trash. I happen to live in the condo community one block east of that “trash” neighborhood. North of 76 Hwy has about 20% “fair” places to live but outside of that, count on installing steel bars on your windows and doors. South of 76 Hwy near College Blvd is BEAUTIFUL and middle to middle upper class upscale homes although cookie cutter like the poster mentioned. South of 76 Hwy near the Oceanside Airport, keep a gun handy. if you are ever given directions using the street name of Douglas off 76 Hwy, you need to lock your doors in your car. Also along the Vista border is something to be desired but safer than 92057.

What I have pretty much done is avoid anything in the 92057 area code for the reasons listed above as well as anything coastal. Stick with Rancho del Oro area and nearby and you’ll feel upper class in Oceanside.

As for the racial remarks in this thread, tell me why the bad areas I just listed are predominately Hispanic and not white while the nice areas I just mentioned are predominately white and not Hispanic? Injustice or an obvious pattern? I just went to the store yesterday off Mission Ave and had to ask the lady if she spoke English. She said no. Where do I go shopping to speak my own native English language?

I’m white and before you judge me, know that I have a close friend who is Mexican (with parents that migrated from Mexico) and he just bought a house in Vista. We talked about the various Oceanside neighborhoods and he said “Hell No” to 92057. He’s also an educated college grad with standards unlike the people in these neighborhoods. Fortunately my kids have grandparents in Carlsbad and will be putting our kids into a decent school there until I can get a house in Temecula when the market bottoms out.

[themorgansplace]

I live and work in Oceanside. I moved here 2 1/2 years ago and before that I lived in Carlsbad for about 2 years (also lived in Phoenix for 10 months in between there). My wife and I have been married for 5 years and she spent almost 30 years living in North County and knows this area well. Oceanside used to be a lot worse but has been slowly building a nicer reputation. Less drag queens walking the streets, new development down by the pier, etc. etc. . However, I do know that the Samoan gang activity in Oceanside is very active as well as the Mexican gangs. Since I live by the coast and work in East Oceanside, I see pretty much all of Oceanside daily.

From I-5 west to the beach along the entire coast, you will get a lot of “fair” places to live. From I-5 east for about 5 blocks right off Mission Ave is pure trash. I happen to live in the condo community one block east of that “trash” neighborhood. North of 76 Hwy has about 20% “fair” places to live but outside of that, count on installing steel bars on your windows and doors. South of 76 Hwy near College Blvd is BEAUTIFUL and middle to middle upper class upscale homes although cookie cutter like the poster mentioned. South of 76 Hwy near the Oceanside Airport, keep a gun handy. if you are ever given directions using the street name of Douglas off 76 Hwy, you need to lock your doors in your car. Also along the Vista border is something to be desired but safer than 92057.

What I have pretty much done is avoid anything in the 92057 area code for the reasons listed above as well as anything coastal. Stick with Rancho del Oro area and nearby and you’ll feel upper class in Oceanside.

As for the racial remarks in this thread, tell me why the bad areas I just listed are predominately Hispanic and not white while the nice areas I just mentioned are predominately white and not Hispanic? Injustice or an obvious pattern? I just went to the store yesterday off Mission Ave and had to ask the lady if she spoke English. She said no. Where do I go shopping to speak my own native English language?

I’m white and before you judge me, know that I have a close friend who is Mexican (with parents that migrated from Mexico) and he just bought a house in Vista. We talked about the various Oceanside neighborhoods and he said “Hell No” to 92057. He’s also an educated college grad with standards unlike the people in these neighborhoods. Fortunately my kids have grandparents in Carlsbad and will be putting our kids into a decent school there until I can get a house in Temecula when the market bottoms out.

[themorgansplace]

I live and work in Oceanside. I moved here 2 1/2 years ago and before that I lived in Carlsbad for about 2 years (also lived in Phoenix for 10 months in between there). My wife and I have been married for 5 years and she spent almost 30 years living in North County and knows this area well. Oceanside used to be a lot worse but has been slowly building a nicer reputation. Less drag queens walking the streets, new development down by the pier, etc. etc. . However, I do know that the Samoan gang activity in Oceanside is very active as well as the Mexican gangs. Since I live by the coast and work in East Oceanside, I see pretty much all of Oceanside daily.

From I-5 west to the beach along the entire coast, you will get a lot of “fair” places to live. From I-5 east for about 5 blocks right off Mission Ave is pure trash. I happen to live in the condo community one block east of that “trash” neighborhood. North of 76 Hwy has about 20% “fair” places to live but outside of that, count on installing steel bars on your windows and doors. South of 76 Hwy near College Blvd is BEAUTIFUL and middle to middle upper class upscale homes although cookie cutter like the poster mentioned. South of 76 Hwy near the Oceanside Airport, keep a gun handy. if you are ever given directions using the street name of Douglas off 76 Hwy, you need to lock your doors in your car. Also along the Vista border is something to be desired but safer than 92057.

What I have pretty much done is avoid anything in the 92057 area code for the reasons listed above as well as anything coastal. Stick with Rancho del Oro area and nearby and you’ll feel upper class in Oceanside.

As for the racial remarks in this thread, tell me why the bad areas I just listed are predominately Hispanic and not white while the nice areas I just mentioned are predominately white and not Hispanic? Injustice or an obvious pattern? I just went to the store yesterday off Mission Ave and had to ask the lady if she spoke English. She said no. Where do I go shopping to speak my own native English language?

I’m white and before you judge me, know that I have a close friend who is Mexican (with parents that migrated from Mexico) and he just bought a house in Vista. We talked about the various Oceanside neighborhoods and he said “Hell No” to 92057. He’s also an educated college grad with standards unlike the people in these neighborhoods. Fortunately my kids have grandparents in Carlsbad and will be putting our kids into a decent school there until I can get a house in Temecula when the market bottoms out.

[themorgansplace]

I live and work in Oceanside. I moved here 2 1/2 years ago and before that I lived in Carlsbad for about 2 years (also lived in Phoenix for 10 months in between there). My wife and I have been married for 5 years and she spent almost 30 years living in North County and knows this area well. Oceanside used to be a lot worse but has been slowly building a nicer reputation. Less drag queens walking the streets, new development down by the pier, etc. etc. . However, I do know that the Samoan gang activity in Oceanside is very active as well as the Mexican gangs. Since I live by the coast and work in East Oceanside, I see pretty much all of Oceanside daily.

From I-5 west to the beach along the entire coast, you will get a lot of “fair” places to live. From I-5 east for about 5 blocks right off Mission Ave is pure trash. I happen to live in the condo community one block east of that “trash” neighborhood. North of 76 Hwy has about 20% “fair” places to live but outside of that, count on installing steel bars on your windows and doors. South of 76 Hwy near College Blvd is BEAUTIFUL and middle to middle upper class upscale homes although cookie cutter like the poster mentioned. South of 76 Hwy near the Oceanside Airport, keep a gun handy. if you are ever given directions using the street name of Douglas off 76 Hwy, you need to lock your doors in your car. Also along the Vista border is something to be desired but safer than 92057.

What I have pretty much done is avoid anything in the 92057 area code for the reasons listed above as well as anything coastal. Stick with Rancho del Oro area and nearby and you’ll feel upper class in Oceanside.

As for the racial remarks in this thread, tell me why the bad areas I just listed are predominately Hispanic and not white while the nice areas I just mentioned are predominately white and not Hispanic? Injustice or an obvious pattern? I just went to the store yesterday off Mission Ave and had to ask the lady if she spoke English. She said no. Where do I go shopping to speak my own native English language?

I’m white and before you judge me, know that I have a close friend who is Mexican (with parents that migrated from Mexico) and he just bought a house in Vista. We talked about the various Oceanside neighborhoods and he said “Hell No” to 92057. He’s also an educated college grad with standards unlike the people in these neighborhoods. Fortunately my kids have grandparents in Carlsbad and will be putting our kids into a decent school there until I can get a house in Temecula when the market bottoms out.

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