Top 20 pensioners cite city service

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Bravo, TexasLine.

I’m also sick of all the whining about govt workers.

We’ve spent **TRILLIONS** on Wall Street (far more than the budget and pension deficits in CA), where those who’ve created all our economic problems (including the pension problems, BTW) are getting richer than ever; yet the violent anger is missing there. I wonder why? It makes me wonder who is **really** behind all these attacks on public workers.

Distract the sheeple at all costs…turn them against one another. That seems to be the plan, and the sheeple are being led to the slaughter, just as stupid as ever.[/quote]

This is the typical leftists argument that makes the patently false assumption that wealth is a zero sum game. The TRILLIONS that has been spent on the private sector GENERATES WEALTH. Government agencies do not. There would be no budget for the government if it were not for the private sector. I don’t have any issue with a CEO making millions as that is taken out of the revenue of the company and not my tax dollars. It’s the left that tries to stir up this class warfare rhetoric and conveniently leaves that fact out.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]
Some pretty bold assumptions there.

I’ve worked in both private and public sectors, and can say for a fact that the standards for public workers are higher than for those in the private sector. Also, there is additional liability in the public sector that is not there in the private sector, which is why they have to hire better qualified candidates in the first place.[/quote]

I can’t help you if actually believe the government IT workers are better and more qualified than there counterparts in the private sector. You obviously have zero experience in the field.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]
Some pretty bold assumptions there.

I’ve worked in both private and public sectors, and can say for a fact that the standards for public workers are higher than for those in the private sector. Also, there is additional liability in the public sector that is not there in the private sector, which is why they have to hire better qualified candidates in the first place.[/quote]

I can’t help you if actually believe the government IT workers are better and more qualified than there counterparts in the private sector. You obviously have zero experience in the field.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]
Some pretty bold assumptions there.

I’ve worked in both private and public sectors, and can say for a fact that the standards for public workers are higher than for those in the private sector. Also, there is additional liability in the public sector that is not there in the private sector, which is why they have to hire better qualified candidates in the first place.[/quote]

I can’t help you if actually believe the government IT workers are better and more qualified than there counterparts in the private sector. You obviously have zero experience in the field.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]
Some pretty bold assumptions there.

I’ve worked in both private and public sectors, and can say for a fact that the standards for public workers are higher than for those in the private sector. Also, there is additional liability in the public sector that is not there in the private sector, which is why they have to hire better qualified candidates in the first place.[/quote]

I can’t help you if actually believe the government IT workers are better and more qualified than there counterparts in the private sector. You obviously have zero experience in the field.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]
Some pretty bold assumptions there.

I’ve worked in both private and public sectors, and can say for a fact that the standards for public workers are higher than for those in the private sector. Also, there is additional liability in the public sector that is not there in the private sector, which is why they have to hire better qualified candidates in the first place.[/quote]

I can’t help you if actually believe the government IT workers are better and more qualified than there counterparts in the private sector. You obviously have zero experience in the field.

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I despise the fact that **workers of all stripes** are being made (brainwashed) to turn agaist each other when the culprits who created our problems are sailing away on their yachts, unscathed.[/quote]

More class warfare from the left. Oh, don’t look at the public sector that doesn’t have to answer to the free market, whose employees are living off a pension that only a few million dollar investment fund could reasonably return. No it’s those evil CEOs and fund managers of the private sector that are creating all of our problems. As if failure in the private sector and losing investment dollars is automatically a crime. There is no arguing that on the whole private sector companies BIG and small, have created the standard of living today. What are you arguing exactly? That we should have some laws to punish CEOs and their families when they fail?

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I despise the fact that **workers of all stripes** are being made (brainwashed) to turn agaist each other when the culprits who created our problems are sailing away on their yachts, unscathed.[/quote]

More class warfare from the left. Oh, don’t look at the public sector that doesn’t have to answer to the free market, whose employees are living off a pension that only a few million dollar investment fund could reasonably return. No it’s those evil CEOs and fund managers of the private sector that are creating all of our problems. As if failure in the private sector and losing investment dollars is automatically a crime. There is no arguing that on the whole private sector companies BIG and small, have created the standard of living today. What are you arguing exactly? That we should have some laws to punish CEOs and their families when they fail?

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I despise the fact that **workers of all stripes** are being made (brainwashed) to turn agaist each other when the culprits who created our problems are sailing away on their yachts, unscathed.[/quote]

More class warfare from the left. Oh, don’t look at the public sector that doesn’t have to answer to the free market, whose employees are living off a pension that only a few million dollar investment fund could reasonably return. No it’s those evil CEOs and fund managers of the private sector that are creating all of our problems. As if failure in the private sector and losing investment dollars is automatically a crime. There is no arguing that on the whole private sector companies BIG and small, have created the standard of living today. What are you arguing exactly? That we should have some laws to punish CEOs and their families when they fail?

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I despise the fact that **workers of all stripes** are being made (brainwashed) to turn agaist each other when the culprits who created our problems are sailing away on their yachts, unscathed.[/quote]

More class warfare from the left. Oh, don’t look at the public sector that doesn’t have to answer to the free market, whose employees are living off a pension that only a few million dollar investment fund could reasonably return. No it’s those evil CEOs and fund managers of the private sector that are creating all of our problems. As if failure in the private sector and losing investment dollars is automatically a crime. There is no arguing that on the whole private sector companies BIG and small, have created the standard of living today. What are you arguing exactly? That we should have some laws to punish CEOs and their families when they fail?

[pjwal]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I despise the fact that **workers of all stripes** are being made (brainwashed) to turn agaist each other when the culprits who created our problems are sailing away on their yachts, unscathed.[/quote]

More class warfare from the left. Oh, don’t look at the public sector that doesn’t have to answer to the free market, whose employees are living off a pension that only a few million dollar investment fund could reasonably return. No it’s those evil CEOs and fund managers of the private sector that are creating all of our problems. As if failure in the private sector and losing investment dollars is automatically a crime. There is no arguing that on the whole private sector companies BIG and small, have created the standard of living today. What are you arguing exactly? That we should have some laws to punish CEOs and their families when they fail?

[pjwal]

[quote=TexasLine]
There are people at the “top” of every company who receive more money than what we think is appropriate(another discussion)…Right or Wrong?

Working for any municipality one should expect that some people have taken their positions based on an anticipated financial gain….is this different from a fortune 500 Co….?[/quote]

The difference it’s a good thing for the private sector to focus on financial gain. That is their goal for themselves and their stakeholders. And they can only do this by providing a good/service that the private sector accepts. It’s a free system of transactions in which no one is forced to participate (until we are forced to buy health insurance).

We don’t want our public sector employees to be motivated by wealth as the government does not generate wealth and that does not serve the best interest of the public.

[quote=TexasLine]
Point is….and I hope you get this…not all City employees are acting like greedy, selfish little bastards. Most of us actually struggle, unlike most of you…(that’s my little dig at those of you with two incomes making over 200,000+ and actually doing quite well on a daily basis, and with your investments…am implying you should take the plank out of your eye…etc…etc…)[/quote]

We’re doing well as a result of hard work and the risks we have to take in the private sector. Inherent risks that don’t exist in the public sector. And I think that it is OK that you do not have to face those risks as, presumably, you are serving a “higher calling.” No one is upset at all public sector employees. We are upset at those that have the gall to defend their ridiculous pensions, just as you have a right to be upset at private sector individuals that cheat/steal, which we have laws against and we prosecute fairly well in comparison to other societies. That kind of check doesn’t exist for this kind of nonsense in the public sector (sans false info given during bond sales which no one served jail time for). Our only check is at the voting booth and I hope we stir things up enough to kick these liberals out.

I’m sure there are some great real-estate web sites focused on the Berkeley, San Francisco market they can check out.

[pjwal]

[quote=TexasLine]
There are people at the “top” of every company who receive more money than what we think is appropriate(another discussion)…Right or Wrong?

Working for any municipality one should expect that some people have taken their positions based on an anticipated financial gain….is this different from a fortune 500 Co….?[/quote]

The difference it’s a good thing for the private sector to focus on financial gain. That is their goal for themselves and their stakeholders. And they can only do this by providing a good/service that the private sector accepts. It’s a free system of transactions in which no one is forced to participate (until we are forced to buy health insurance).

We don’t want our public sector employees to be motivated by wealth as the government does not generate wealth and that does not serve the best interest of the public.

[quote=TexasLine]
Point is….and I hope you get this…not all City employees are acting like greedy, selfish little bastards. Most of us actually struggle, unlike most of you…(that’s my little dig at those of you with two incomes making over 200,000+ and actually doing quite well on a daily basis, and with your investments…am implying you should take the plank out of your eye…etc…etc…)[/quote]

We’re doing well as a result of hard work and the risks we have to take in the private sector. Inherent risks that don’t exist in the public sector. And I think that it is OK that you do not have to face those risks as, presumably, you are serving a “higher calling.” No one is upset at all public sector employees. We are upset at those that have the gall to defend their ridiculous pensions, just as you have a right to be upset at private sector individuals that cheat/steal, which we have laws against and we prosecute fairly well in comparison to other societies. That kind of check doesn’t exist for this kind of nonsense in the public sector (sans false info given during bond sales which no one served jail time for). Our only check is at the voting booth and I hope we stir things up enough to kick these liberals out.

I’m sure there are some great real-estate web sites focused on the Berkeley, San Francisco market they can check out.

[pjwal]

[quote=TexasLine]
There are people at the “top” of every company who receive more money than what we think is appropriate(another discussion)…Right or Wrong?

Working for any municipality one should expect that some people have taken their positions based on an anticipated financial gain….is this different from a fortune 500 Co….?[/quote]

The difference it’s a good thing for the private sector to focus on financial gain. That is their goal for themselves and their stakeholders. And they can only do this by providing a good/service that the private sector accepts. It’s a free system of transactions in which no one is forced to participate (until we are forced to buy health insurance).

We don’t want our public sector employees to be motivated by wealth as the government does not generate wealth and that does not serve the best interest of the public.

[quote=TexasLine]
Point is….and I hope you get this…not all City employees are acting like greedy, selfish little bastards. Most of us actually struggle, unlike most of you…(that’s my little dig at those of you with two incomes making over 200,000+ and actually doing quite well on a daily basis, and with your investments…am implying you should take the plank out of your eye…etc…etc…)[/quote]

We’re doing well as a result of hard work and the risks we have to take in the private sector. Inherent risks that don’t exist in the public sector. And I think that it is OK that you do not have to face those risks as, presumably, you are serving a “higher calling.” No one is upset at all public sector employees. We are upset at those that have the gall to defend their ridiculous pensions, just as you have a right to be upset at private sector individuals that cheat/steal, which we have laws against and we prosecute fairly well in comparison to other societies. That kind of check doesn’t exist for this kind of nonsense in the public sector (sans false info given during bond sales which no one served jail time for). Our only check is at the voting booth and I hope we stir things up enough to kick these liberals out.

I’m sure there are some great real-estate web sites focused on the Berkeley, San Francisco market they can check out.

[pjwal]

[quote=TexasLine]
There are people at the “top” of every company who receive more money than what we think is appropriate(another discussion)…Right or Wrong?

Working for any municipality one should expect that some people have taken their positions based on an anticipated financial gain….is this different from a fortune 500 Co….?[/quote]

The difference it’s a good thing for the private sector to focus on financial gain. That is their goal for themselves and their stakeholders. And they can only do this by providing a good/service that the private sector accepts. It’s a free system of transactions in which no one is forced to participate (until we are forced to buy health insurance).

We don’t want our public sector employees to be motivated by wealth as the government does not generate wealth and that does not serve the best interest of the public.

[quote=TexasLine]
Point is….and I hope you get this…not all City employees are acting like greedy, selfish little bastards. Most of us actually struggle, unlike most of you…(that’s my little dig at those of you with two incomes making over 200,000+ and actually doing quite well on a daily basis, and with your investments…am implying you should take the plank out of your eye…etc…etc…)[/quote]

We’re doing well as a result of hard work and the risks we have to take in the private sector. Inherent risks that don’t exist in the public sector. And I think that it is OK that you do not have to face those risks as, presumably, you are serving a “higher calling.” No one is upset at all public sector employees. We are upset at those that have the gall to defend their ridiculous pensions, just as you have a right to be upset at private sector individuals that cheat/steal, which we have laws against and we prosecute fairly well in comparison to other societies. That kind of check doesn’t exist for this kind of nonsense in the public sector (sans false info given during bond sales which no one served jail time for). Our only check is at the voting booth and I hope we stir things up enough to kick these liberals out.

I’m sure there are some great real-estate web sites focused on the Berkeley, San Francisco market they can check out.

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