This never ends : “CA Foreclosure Prevention Act Coming Up”

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
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I hope what I said was clear about long term versus short term: In the short term, home prices are dropping due to market forces, and that is only slowly being matched by govt free money tactics. So prices will drop more. But in the long run, our govt (driven by the perceived interests of the majority of voters) will drive for inflation, and has the tools to achieve it. For the full story told more eloquently, just look up Rich’s article about why we will not be going down the Japan road.

But I recognize all this is guesswork, and there is a difference of opinion. I like the Pigg group, and I am just trying to make sure not too many are blindsided by what I consider as the more likely outcome. Many of you are in the IT field, and have been on the sharp end of wage competition from newly emerging countries, and that produced relentless downward pressure on real and dollar incomes. For some younger folks for whom that phase of our economic history dominates their personal experience, it probably seems that no other environment is possible. But the truth is that no environment lasts unchanged forever. The pressure on real wages will probably continue, but inflation will devalue the dollar, and that will mean the impact on nominal wages will be less.

An international company deciding where to get its supply of programmers doesn’t give a *** what the nominal dollar wages are – all that matters is the relative cost adjusted for currency exchange rates. If inflation caused the dollar to lose half its real purchasing power tomorrow, along with half its value relative to other currencies, then US programmers could be paid twice as much and leave the companies using them in exactly the same position they are today when deciding which countries to use. I know, because I have to look at making those decisions for my own IT dept.

[CA renter]

Yes, good points, PR.

It will be interesting to see how effective their inflationary tactics will be, and to see what the unexpected consequences will be.

[CA renter]

Yes, good points, PR.

It will be interesting to see how effective their inflationary tactics will be, and to see what the unexpected consequences will be.

[CA renter]

Yes, good points, PR.

It will be interesting to see how effective their inflationary tactics will be, and to see what the unexpected consequences will be.

[CA renter]

Yes, good points, PR.

It will be interesting to see how effective their inflationary tactics will be, and to see what the unexpected consequences will be.

[CA renter]

Yes, good points, PR.

It will be interesting to see how effective their inflationary tactics will be, and to see what the unexpected consequences will be.

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
[/quote]

I read Rich’s article. And it was a very interesting point about why or government would be choosing inflation versus a deflation strategy. Afterall, unlike japan, America is heavily in debt.
Debasing the dollar does wonders on all those IOU’s (at the expense of folks who are saving earning that 2-3% on that CD).

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
[/quote]

I read Rich’s article. And it was a very interesting point about why or government would be choosing inflation versus a deflation strategy. Afterall, unlike japan, America is heavily in debt.
Debasing the dollar does wonders on all those IOU’s (at the expense of folks who are saving earning that 2-3% on that CD).

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
[/quote]

I read Rich’s article. And it was a very interesting point about why or government would be choosing inflation versus a deflation strategy. Afterall, unlike japan, America is heavily in debt.
Debasing the dollar does wonders on all those IOU’s (at the expense of folks who are saving earning that 2-3% on that CD).

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
[/quote]

I read Rich’s article. And it was a very interesting point about why or government would be choosing inflation versus a deflation strategy. Afterall, unlike japan, America is heavily in debt.
Debasing the dollar does wonders on all those IOU’s (at the expense of folks who are saving earning that 2-3% on that CD).

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paranoid]patientrenter, you draw your conclusion too quickly by assuming that hyperinflation is or will soon occur.

What I’m seeing instead is DEflation worldwide, not inflation, nor hyperinflation. I believe in short term, more DEflation will occur. We will have plain time to see housing price drop to a much lower level before it starts to increase again. Sure US is not Japan. But there are a lot of similarities.

I believe most people, including most piggs, will be surprised by how low the housing price will go.[/quote]

The govt is definitely trying to turn us into a Japan.
[/quote]

I read Rich’s article. And it was a very interesting point about why or government would be choosing inflation versus a deflation strategy. Afterall, unlike japan, America is heavily in debt.
Debasing the dollar does wonders on all those IOU’s (at the expense of folks who are saving earning that 2-3% on that CD).

[patientrenter]

It’s not just the net external debt, flu. That’s actually fairly small compared to the perceived net internal debt. Every $1 of debt is someone else’s savings. But if you were to do a survey of US voters, and ask them their (non-equity) savings and their debt, you’d find the average debt number is much bigger, and many more people see themselves as in net debt than vice versa.

That’s because a lot of people’s savings are indirectly owned, through pension plans etc in which they have an interest, but whose assets they don’t manage or even see. And wealth is concentrated, so a lot savings are in the hands of a small % of people.

The result is that most US voters see low interest rates, debt forgiveness, etc in a favorable light. That the entire country has maybe 10% more debt than savings is just icing on the cake, one more nudge in the direction of making debt repudiation attractive politically.

[patientrenter]

It’s not just the net external debt, flu. That’s actually fairly small compared to the perceived net internal debt. Every $1 of debt is someone else’s savings. But if you were to do a survey of US voters, and ask them their (non-equity) savings and their debt, you’d find the average debt number is much bigger, and many more people see themselves as in net debt than vice versa.

That’s because a lot of people’s savings are indirectly owned, through pension plans etc in which they have an interest, but whose assets they don’t manage or even see. And wealth is concentrated, so a lot savings are in the hands of a small % of people.

The result is that most US voters see low interest rates, debt forgiveness, etc in a favorable light. That the entire country has maybe 10% more debt than savings is just icing on the cake, one more nudge in the direction of making debt repudiation attractive politically.

[patientrenter]

It’s not just the net external debt, flu. That’s actually fairly small compared to the perceived net internal debt. Every $1 of debt is someone else’s savings. But if you were to do a survey of US voters, and ask them their (non-equity) savings and their debt, you’d find the average debt number is much bigger, and many more people see themselves as in net debt than vice versa.

That’s because a lot of people’s savings are indirectly owned, through pension plans etc in which they have an interest, but whose assets they don’t manage or even see. And wealth is concentrated, so a lot savings are in the hands of a small % of people.

The result is that most US voters see low interest rates, debt forgiveness, etc in a favorable light. That the entire country has maybe 10% more debt than savings is just icing on the cake, one more nudge in the direction of making debt repudiation attractive politically.

[patientrenter]

It’s not just the net external debt, flu. That’s actually fairly small compared to the perceived net internal debt. Every $1 of debt is someone else’s savings. But if you were to do a survey of US voters, and ask them their (non-equity) savings and their debt, you’d find the average debt number is much bigger, and many more people see themselves as in net debt than vice versa.

That’s because a lot of people’s savings are indirectly owned, through pension plans etc in which they have an interest, but whose assets they don’t manage or even see. And wealth is concentrated, so a lot savings are in the hands of a small % of people.

The result is that most US voters see low interest rates, debt forgiveness, etc in a favorable light. That the entire country has maybe 10% more debt than savings is just icing on the cake, one more nudge in the direction of making debt repudiation attractive politically.

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