The new style of single family house: what’s your thought?

[UCGal]

[quote=CA renter]How about when you lived in Washington? Is that any better than Philly?
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Washington was pretty cool – literally. It definitely rains a lot – but like a drizzle… You learn to do outdoor stuff in the rain. Camping… raining… just plan for mud. Mountain biking – again… just plan for that muddy stripe up your back and wet pine-needles sticking out of your helmet. But it’s gorgeous and not the sticky humidity. Summers there are ideal. Winters are cold, have snow, but I liked that. I was up by the border (Bellingham) so the days were pretty short in the winter and really long in the summer (light from 4am to 9:30pm)… that took some getting used to.

[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[/quote]

True but it happens in other “old” cities of the Northeast like Boston and New York and Washington, DC as well.

Let’s not forget the cities of the South.

My take on Philly is that it’s one of the old American cities that has seen its best. Boston has higher education and tech. New York has financial services and tourism, plus it’s the World’s capital. And Washington has defense, government and more wealth.

Philly is like a lost child compared to the other great American cities. There are White enclaves of people who’ve been there a long time (Polish, Italian, etc..). There are also Black enclaves. Those people hang on to their old prejudices.

IMHO, Philly has potential because it’s cheap compared to New York and DC, and there are many investors coming from there.

I like Philly precisely because of the cultural stuff. I mostly hang out in the City Center. So I still have yet to fully understand the psychology of the suburbs.

In the West we have much more diversity because our population is mostly from elsewhere. People live mostly in neighborhoods not much older than 40 years.

In California, we have native born ordinary Californians who feel like “their” California has been “stolen” from them. But many of them have moved out to Oregon, Washington or Colorado or Temecula already. Or they married non native Californians, or “foreigners”.

Temecula is a conservative bastion. But of the population there, very few have lived there for generations, so nobody can really claim “ownership”. Not so in Philly.

There’re also cultural differences. On the East, people are in-your-face more. They call it honest and frank and we call it rude. Sunny California beach culture is be fresh, sunny and relaxed. Even if we care about money and what’s “rightfully ours”, we’re not supposed to show it. Culture affects attitudes and prejudices.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[/quote]

True but it happens in other “old” cities of the Northeast like Boston and New York and Washington, DC as well.

Let’s not forget the cities of the South.

My take on Philly is that it’s one of the old American cities that has seen its best. Boston has higher education and tech. New York has financial services and tourism, plus it’s the World’s capital. And Washington has defense, government and more wealth.

Philly is like a lost child compared to the other great American cities. There are White enclaves of people who’ve been there a long time (Polish, Italian, etc..). There are also Black enclaves. Those people hang on to their old prejudices.

IMHO, Philly has potential because it’s cheap compared to New York and DC, and there are many investors coming from there.

I like Philly precisely because of the cultural stuff. I mostly hang out in the City Center. So I still have yet to fully understand the psychology of the suburbs.

In the West we have much more diversity because our population is mostly from elsewhere. People live mostly in neighborhoods not much older than 40 years.

In California, we have native born ordinary Californians who feel like “their” California has been “stolen” from them. But many of them have moved out to Oregon, Washington or Colorado or Temecula already. Or they married non native Californians, or “foreigners”.

Temecula is a conservative bastion. But of the population there, very few have lived there for generations, so nobody can really claim “ownership”. Not so in Philly.

There’re also cultural differences. On the East, people are in-your-face more. They call it honest and frank and we call it rude. Sunny California beach culture is be fresh, sunny and relaxed. Even if we care about money and what’s “rightfully ours”, we’re not supposed to show it. Culture affects attitudes and prejudices.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[/quote]

True but it happens in other “old” cities of the Northeast like Boston and New York and Washington, DC as well.

Let’s not forget the cities of the South.

My take on Philly is that it’s one of the old American cities that has seen its best. Boston has higher education and tech. New York has financial services and tourism, plus it’s the World’s capital. And Washington has defense, government and more wealth.

Philly is like a lost child compared to the other great American cities. There are White enclaves of people who’ve been there a long time (Polish, Italian, etc..). There are also Black enclaves. Those people hang on to their old prejudices.

IMHO, Philly has potential because it’s cheap compared to New York and DC, and there are many investors coming from there.

I like Philly precisely because of the cultural stuff. I mostly hang out in the City Center. So I still have yet to fully understand the psychology of the suburbs.

In the West we have much more diversity because our population is mostly from elsewhere. People live mostly in neighborhoods not much older than 40 years.

In California, we have native born ordinary Californians who feel like “their” California has been “stolen” from them. But many of them have moved out to Oregon, Washington or Colorado or Temecula already. Or they married non native Californians, or “foreigners”.

Temecula is a conservative bastion. But of the population there, very few have lived there for generations, so nobody can really claim “ownership”. Not so in Philly.

There’re also cultural differences. On the East, people are in-your-face more. They call it honest and frank and we call it rude. Sunny California beach culture is be fresh, sunny and relaxed. Even if we care about money and what’s “rightfully ours”, we’re not supposed to show it. Culture affects attitudes and prejudices.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[/quote]

True but it happens in other “old” cities of the Northeast like Boston and New York and Washington, DC as well.

Let’s not forget the cities of the South.

My take on Philly is that it’s one of the old American cities that has seen its best. Boston has higher education and tech. New York has financial services and tourism, plus it’s the World’s capital. And Washington has defense, government and more wealth.

Philly is like a lost child compared to the other great American cities. There are White enclaves of people who’ve been there a long time (Polish, Italian, etc..). There are also Black enclaves. Those people hang on to their old prejudices.

IMHO, Philly has potential because it’s cheap compared to New York and DC, and there are many investors coming from there.

I like Philly precisely because of the cultural stuff. I mostly hang out in the City Center. So I still have yet to fully understand the psychology of the suburbs.

In the West we have much more diversity because our population is mostly from elsewhere. People live mostly in neighborhoods not much older than 40 years.

In California, we have native born ordinary Californians who feel like “their” California has been “stolen” from them. But many of them have moved out to Oregon, Washington or Colorado or Temecula already. Or they married non native Californians, or “foreigners”.

Temecula is a conservative bastion. But of the population there, very few have lived there for generations, so nobody can really claim “ownership”. Not so in Philly.

There’re also cultural differences. On the East, people are in-your-face more. They call it honest and frank and we call it rude. Sunny California beach culture is be fresh, sunny and relaxed. Even if we care about money and what’s “rightfully ours”, we’re not supposed to show it. Culture affects attitudes and prejudices.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
[quote=sdrealtor]FWIW you would hate it there. Philly is one of the most intolerent major cities in the US. Racism is open and widespread at all levels of education, income and intellect. [/quote]

This is true. Unfortunately. People can be highly cliqueish. Racism is overt. It’s hard to make friends if you’re an outsider.

You have people in some of the suburbs who are proud how long it’s been since they went into Philly. They feel superior. Even though Philly has world class cultural stuff like the art museum, Franklin Institute, etc. Their attitude is based in part on ignorance and in part on racism.

And don’t forget the brew-ha-ha over the Huntington Valley Swim Club – where they banned a group because members were upset that black kids were being allowed to swim there. That’s around 5 miles from my old neighborhood… Very sad and closed minded.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

[/quote]

True but it happens in other “old” cities of the Northeast like Boston and New York and Washington, DC as well.

Let’s not forget the cities of the South.

My take on Philly is that it’s one of the old American cities that has seen its best. Boston has higher education and tech. New York has financial services and tourism, plus it’s the World’s capital. And Washington has defense, government and more wealth.

Philly is like a lost child compared to the other great American cities. There are White enclaves of people who’ve been there a long time (Polish, Italian, etc..). There are also Black enclaves. Those people hang on to their old prejudices.

IMHO, Philly has potential because it’s cheap compared to New York and DC, and there are many investors coming from there.

I like Philly precisely because of the cultural stuff. I mostly hang out in the City Center. So I still have yet to fully understand the psychology of the suburbs.

In the West we have much more diversity because our population is mostly from elsewhere. People live mostly in neighborhoods not much older than 40 years.

In California, we have native born ordinary Californians who feel like “their” California has been “stolen” from them. But many of them have moved out to Oregon, Washington or Colorado or Temecula already. Or they married non native Californians, or “foreigners”.

Temecula is a conservative bastion. But of the population there, very few have lived there for generations, so nobody can really claim “ownership”. Not so in Philly.

There’re also cultural differences. On the East, people are in-your-face more. They call it honest and frank and we call it rude. Sunny California beach culture is be fresh, sunny and relaxed. Even if we care about money and what’s “rightfully ours”, we’re not supposed to show it. Culture affects attitudes and prejudices.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.[/quote]

In reference to 91910 west of the 805 fwy, there is no view on these tree-lined streets, AN, except for Mankato St backyards bet 1st & 2nd Aves and a few older properties north of “C” St (Nat’l City border). They are fairly flat and close to the bay. No homes are newer than 1962 (exc 1 HOA walled subdivision) and most are older, some much older. Average lot size is 7-8K but there are many lots between 10K and 20K and many lots bigger than that but probably above your price range.

Remember AN that when you are looking at properties online or in the MLS, they state the year the tax assessor has on record that the house was originally built. This does not mean, however, that the home is not currently a “complete remodel.” In other words, just because the assessor records state that it was built in 1947 does not mean it wasn’t knocked down to the studs and rebuilt (usually larger) within the last 20 years or even the last five years. This is the case with a large percentage of older homes, all over the county.

As to 91910 east of fwy 805, the Rancho Del Rey Pkwy circle (off Ave Del Rey or Ridgeback Rd) has a tree-lined walking path with a split rail fence. This is paid for by street bonds charged to the homeowners. Don’t quote me but I believe there is only one year left to pay on the street bonds in these subdivisions. The school on the circle is Discovery Elem (a bilingual immersion school) feeding into BVMS/BVHS.

The years of construction for these RDR tracts are 1991 to 1992. The actual residential streets are NOT tree lined there, however. Some of the backyards on the west end (near the school) have views.

There are 3 streets in Terra Nova (1991) and one street in uninc Chula Vista (1952), just east of I-805, which are high enough to have views of dtn and Coronado. These areas do not have tree-lined streets.

The older developed areas of 91910 were built primarily in the flat land close to the bay. Up until WWII, the area was primarily orchards.

Edit: I did not include any “executive homes” as to the discussion on “views” due to price. These neighborhoods are not “tree-lined” but one in the uninc area has many trees behind the properties, similar to Scripps Ranch canyon rim properties. These (non-tract) properties in 91910 can be prohibitively expensive unless purchased as a heavy and/or structural fixer.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.[/quote]

In reference to 91910 west of the 805 fwy, there is no view on these tree-lined streets, AN, except for Mankato St backyards bet 1st & 2nd Aves and a few older properties north of “C” St (Nat’l City border). They are fairly flat and close to the bay. No homes are newer than 1962 (exc 1 HOA walled subdivision) and most are older, some much older. Average lot size is 7-8K but there are many lots between 10K and 20K and many lots bigger than that but probably above your price range.

Remember AN that when you are looking at properties online or in the MLS, they state the year the tax assessor has on record that the house was originally built. This does not mean, however, that the home is not currently a “complete remodel.” In other words, just because the assessor records state that it was built in 1947 does not mean it wasn’t knocked down to the studs and rebuilt (usually larger) within the last 20 years or even the last five years. This is the case with a large percentage of older homes, all over the county.

As to 91910 east of fwy 805, the Rancho Del Rey Pkwy circle (off Ave Del Rey or Ridgeback Rd) has a tree-lined walking path with a split rail fence. This is paid for by street bonds charged to the homeowners. Don’t quote me but I believe there is only one year left to pay on the street bonds in these subdivisions. The school on the circle is Discovery Elem (a bilingual immersion school) feeding into BVMS/BVHS.

The years of construction for these RDR tracts are 1991 to 1992. The actual residential streets are NOT tree lined there, however. Some of the backyards on the west end (near the school) have views.

There are 3 streets in Terra Nova (1991) and one street in uninc Chula Vista (1952), just east of I-805, which are high enough to have views of dtn and Coronado. These areas do not have tree-lined streets.

The older developed areas of 91910 were built primarily in the flat land close to the bay. Up until WWII, the area was primarily orchards.

Edit: I did not include any “executive homes” as to the discussion on “views” due to price. These neighborhoods are not “tree-lined” but one in the uninc area has many trees behind the properties, similar to Scripps Ranch canyon rim properties. These (non-tract) properties in 91910 can be prohibitively expensive unless purchased as a heavy and/or structural fixer.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.[/quote]

In reference to 91910 west of the 805 fwy, there is no view on these tree-lined streets, AN, except for Mankato St backyards bet 1st & 2nd Aves and a few older properties north of “C” St (Nat’l City border). They are fairly flat and close to the bay. No homes are newer than 1962 (exc 1 HOA walled subdivision) and most are older, some much older. Average lot size is 7-8K but there are many lots between 10K and 20K and many lots bigger than that but probably above your price range.

Remember AN that when you are looking at properties online or in the MLS, they state the year the tax assessor has on record that the house was originally built. This does not mean, however, that the home is not currently a “complete remodel.” In other words, just because the assessor records state that it was built in 1947 does not mean it wasn’t knocked down to the studs and rebuilt (usually larger) within the last 20 years or even the last five years. This is the case with a large percentage of older homes, all over the county.

As to 91910 east of fwy 805, the Rancho Del Rey Pkwy circle (off Ave Del Rey or Ridgeback Rd) has a tree-lined walking path with a split rail fence. This is paid for by street bonds charged to the homeowners. Don’t quote me but I believe there is only one year left to pay on the street bonds in these subdivisions. The school on the circle is Discovery Elem (a bilingual immersion school) feeding into BVMS/BVHS.

The years of construction for these RDR tracts are 1991 to 1992. The actual residential streets are NOT tree lined there, however. Some of the backyards on the west end (near the school) have views.

There are 3 streets in Terra Nova (1991) and one street in uninc Chula Vista (1952), just east of I-805, which are high enough to have views of dtn and Coronado. These areas do not have tree-lined streets.

The older developed areas of 91910 were built primarily in the flat land close to the bay. Up until WWII, the area was primarily orchards.

Edit: I did not include any “executive homes” as to the discussion on “views” due to price. These neighborhoods are not “tree-lined” but one in the uninc area has many trees behind the properties, similar to Scripps Ranch canyon rim properties. These (non-tract) properties in 91910 can be prohibitively expensive unless purchased as a heavy and/or structural fixer.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]AN, you can also find the single-story house size and lot size you want or both that are even beyond your expectations in Chula Vista. Too bad it’s so far from employment for you. [/quote]
Since you know Chula Vista, which are fit this description: tree-lined streets, 2k sq-ft single story on 12k+ sq-ft with a view? Preferably houses built post 1980 but I can deal w/ old homes as well. I did a quick search on Redfin and I can’t find any.[/quote]

In reference to 91910 west of the 805 fwy, there is no view on these tree-lined streets, AN, except for Mankato St backyards bet 1st & 2nd Aves and a few older properties north of “C” St (Nat’l City border). They are fairly flat and close to the bay. No homes are newer than 1962 (exc 1 HOA walled subdivision) and most are older, some much older. Average lot size is 7-8K but there are many lots between 10K and 20K and many lots bigger than that but probably above your price range.

Remember AN that when you are looking at properties online or in the MLS, they state the year the tax assessor has on record that the house was originally built. This does not mean, however, that the home is not currently a “complete remodel.” In other words, just because the assessor records state that it was built in 1947 does not mean it wasn’t knocked down to the studs and rebuilt (usually larger) within the last 20 years or even the last five years. This is the case with a large percentage of older homes, all over the county.

As to 91910 east of fwy 805, the Rancho Del Rey Pkwy circle (off Ave Del Rey or Ridgeback Rd) has a tree-lined walking path with a split rail fence. This is paid for by street bonds charged to the homeowners. Don’t quote me but I believe there is only one year left to pay on the street bonds in these subdivisions. The school on the circle is Discovery Elem (a bilingual immersion school) feeding into BVMS/BVHS.

The years of construction for these RDR tracts are 1991 to 1992. The actual residential streets are NOT tree lined there, however. Some of the backyards on the west end (near the school) have views.

There are 3 streets in Terra Nova (1991) and one street in uninc Chula Vista (1952), just east of I-805, which are high enough to have views of dtn and Coronado. These areas do not have tree-lined streets.

The older developed areas of 91910 were built primarily in the flat land close to the bay. Up until WWII, the area was primarily orchards.

Edit: I did not include any “executive homes” as to the discussion on “views” due to price. These neighborhoods are not “tree-lined” but one in the uninc area has many trees behind the properties, similar to Scripps Ranch canyon rim properties. These (non-tract) properties in 91910 can be prohibitively expensive unless purchased as a heavy and/or structural fixer.

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