SF city RE prices down to 2017 prices due to crime wave and WFH

[an]

That’s as relevant of an argument as me saying you think serial killers should be set free.

Btw, in the 90s, whites were the majority, now, that’s no longer the case. Do you have a problem with people of colors moving in? That’s pretty racist.

[sdrealtor]

He spends too much time locked up in his room alone reading stuff on the Internet. I wonder if he’s ever even been there. He has no idea what happened there and what is happening there

[spdrun]

I know that the press is exaggerating the supposed “crime wave” in my own city (NY), and I don’t expect SF to be much different. The press seems to have a hate-on for urban areas ever since COVID struck. I’ve been to SF multiple times, though not post-COVID (I haven’t been on a plane since 2020).

I was in SF after the Kate Steinle shooting, and it wasn’t the den of crime and iniquity that the right-wing press and Trumpanzees were painting it as. I’m skeptical that downtown SF looks like Bucha or Mariupol right now.

[sdrealtor]

You have no idea. I was up in LA a month ago and the amount of people camped out all over the streets is shocking, startling and shameful. Things go on in the open that should not be everywhere.

Its better in SD but still really bad. I went to dinner at Born and raised in Little Italy last week for a friends birthday. Was late for dinner and found a spot on the street with a homeless encampment on the sidewalk next me. I have no issues with people doing drugs if they want to but not notoriously in public while living on the streets, urinating and defacating in public. I know a bunch of people who have been attacked on the streets by mentally ill homeless people. I think we need to figure out ways to help these people, get them help/treatment and am sympathetic to their plight but just the same we cant live with anarchy.

My tesla has sentry mode which monitors what is going on and I can actually watch the cameras on my phone. If they got near breaking into the car I wouldve run right out.

We literally watched a live streamed a Homeless Crack Party on my phone during dinner. Sorry but that is just not OK

[spdrun]

How to fix it? Let housing prices fall, subsidize housing for homeless people who need it at lower prices. I suspect that the current housing frenzy actually forced people whose situations were marginal pre-COVID into homelessness.

Put it this way – a friend was able to rent an apartment in coastal Carlsbad during the bottom of the 2008-9 crisis/correction. Rent was $850 per month, on the west side of I-5 (the only down side was that it was near the rail line, so there was a lot of train horn noise early in the morning). It’s probably $1600-2000 per month now, and incomes haven’t doubled since then for many people.

[sdrealtor]

LOL you have no idea. Sure there are people who may have been priced out but they can always go somewhere cheaper or double up. They dont have to be on the streets.

In n Out pays $20/hour here now. It was about $7.75 back in 2008. If they wanted to or were able to work there is plenty of work and places they could afford to live. This is a crime problem and a mental health crisis not a housing crisis.

And your full of it with Carlsbad rent prices as Ive lived here for decades. An apartment in Rancho Bernardo started around $995 in 1997 when I moved there and rented one. I have clients that rent a 1BR below market to good tenants who stay long term. The below market rent on my clients 1BR in 08/09 3 miles from the beach in Carlsbad was $1300 in Summer 2008. And the rent today would be well over $2K today.

You dont live here or SF. I rememeber asking whenn you first came here. You told me early on you grew up in Summit NJ. You grew surrounded by priviliged lifestyles and probably went to some elite university and became a lazy bleeding heart liberal who doesnt want to work. Amirite?

And please stop making things up

[spdrun]

They have to be able to get the job. A bit difficult if you look homeless and have mental health issues. The jobs may exist now, but they weren’t available in 2020 when many restaurants had to close, so there may be a significant period of homelessness involved.

$20/hr = $40k/yr or $30000 after taxes. $2500/mo. Hardly living the life. Housing $1000/mo, car + insurance + maintenance $500/mo. Does In-and-Out offer health insurance?

The solution is to house the people first, get them medical care, and get them jobs. Oh, and I grew up lower middle class in a rich town, which was its own special kind of hell. I was one of the few “apartment kids” which parents had recently gotten divorced and lost their home.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]
The solution is to house the people first, get them medical care, and get them jobs.[/quote]
LoL, if it’s that easy, it would have already been done.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=spdrun](1) They have to be able to get the job. A bit difficult if you look homeless and have mental health issues.

(2) $20/hr = $40k/yr or $30000 after taxes. $2500/mo.[/quote]

Again you have no idea. People making $40K pay little to no taxes. In fact I used to do taxes for someone in the range who not only didnt pay taxes but as a single mother got about $5000/year back in tax credits (earned income credit etc) and fully subsidized great health care through ACA for free for her and her son. And she worked her tail off

Of course they have to be able to get a job which is exactly my point! They wont or are unable to. Its a crime problem and a mental health problem far more than a housing problem. Stop with the faux liberal elite moral granstanding. You are exactly what the right wingers hate and why we will lose control of this country to them soon. You want everyone to pay for everyone else as long as it doesnt involve you going to work and paying for it. You’re the problem not the solution

[spdrun]

Do we have any better ideas? Throwing people in jail repeatedly is generally more expensive than housing and does nothing for their future employment prospects and ability to re-integrate into society.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=spdrun]They have to be able to get the job. A bit difficult if you look homeless and have mental health issues. The jobs may exist now, but they weren’t available in 2020 when many restaurants had to close, so there may be a significant period of homelessness involved.

$20/hr = $40k/yr or $30000 after taxes. $2500/mo. Hardly living the life. Housing $1000/mo, car + insurance + maintenance $500/mo. Does In-and-Out offer health insurance?

The solution is to house the people first, get them medical care, and get them jobs. Oh, and I grew up lower middle class in a rich town, which was its own special kind of hell. I was one of the few “apartment kids” which parents had recently gotten divorced and lost their home.[/quote]

So which elite university did you attend?

[sdrealtor]

[quote=spdrun]Do we have any better ideas? Throwing people in jail repeatedly is generally more expensive than housing and does nothing for their future employment prospects and ability to re-integrate into society.[/quote]

This is California for chrissakes! We dont throw them in jail and when we do we let them right back out. We let them camp out all over our streets and use them as bathrooms while attacking innnocent people. Get on a plane. See for yourself

[spdrun]

$40k is out of the Medicaid/subsidized range for a single person, and most of the homeless people aren’t families. I think the job thing is more “unable to” — someone who’s been sleeping rough for a year or more doesn’t interview well. Connect them to services that will allow them to clean up, have a safe indoor place to shower, and become employable.

Again – how should this be FIXED other than warehousing people in jail, which isn’t a long-term solution?

[an]

[quote=spdrun]Do we have any better ideas? Throwing people in jail repeatedly is generally more expensive than housing and does nothing for their future employment prospects and ability to re-integrate into society.[/quote]
This is America, you can’t just round people up and put them into housing they don’t want to be in and make them do stuff that they don’t want to do.

[spdrun]

You absolutely can’t and shouldn’t, but would people sleeping rough actually turn down the offer of a dry place to sleep with no strings attached for six months? As we learned from quarantine measures – coercion actually reduces interest in compliance. Offer housing, connect them with services IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE THEM and help them voluntarily rebuild their lives.

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