Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[FlyerInHi]

The posts relate to voters sentiments and how people like trump use politics of division. The Canada reference is proof that economic insecurity (real or imagined) doesn’t have to result in divisive rhetoric.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]Do you two ever stay on topic?

You led a 30 post hi-jack discussing SF and LEDs on the “Predictions for 2016 Presidential Election” thread and now you’re at 5 posts and counting on Canada in the “Reasons I cannot vote for Trump” thread.[/quote]

Brian, quick open a jar of peanut butter and tell me what you smell…

[Coronita]

Well, Trump wanted racial tensions, he sure got it. Hispanics and latinos sure as hell aren’t going to take it….

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/index.html

[paramount]

American Spring?

[no_such_reality]

More like Deutschland 1932.

[NotCranky]

To someone closer to center , these troll protestors and the people behind them are as embarrassing and at least as dangerous as Trump. In fact , after the republican primary is over , if he wins, Donald Trump will be the candidate closer to center by far. WIth the restraints the other branches will put on him he may be part of the most reasonable government we can have for the next 4 years. Until I see a Sadaam Hussien like clearing of congress, I am not believing all this Hitler rhetoric.

[spdrun]

Nope. Sanders would be the most reasonable government.

Americans are generally authoritarian cop-huggers at heart, no matter how much they quack about liberty. Sanders is fundamentally an anti-authoritarian who recognizes that coercion can come from corporations as well as government.

A good counterpoint to the authoritarian teabaggery of the average American schmoe.

[paramount]

[quote=no_such_reality]More like Deutschland 1932.[/quote]

After the last 7 years that’s true.

[paramount]

[quote=spdrun]Nope. Sanders would be the most reasonable government.

Americans are generally authoritarian cop-huggers at heart, no matter how much they quack about liberty. Sanders is fundamentally an anti-authoritarian who recognizes that coercion can come from corporations as well as government.

A good counterpoint to the authoritarian teabaggery of the average American schmoe.[/quote]

I think the whole cop hugging thing is changing.

There has been an on-going awakening that the US is now at least a “soft” police state – and that statements as such are not just fear-mongering.

But isn’t socialism always authoritarian? Or are they’re different forms of socialism?

I’ve never understood the backlash against teabaggers who stand for: smaller govt and more freedom and lower debt.

What’s not to like?

[outtamojo]

[quote=Blogstar]To someone closer to center , these troll protestors and the people behind them are as embarrassing and at least as dangerous as Trump. In fact , after the republican primary is over , if he wins, Donald Trump will be the candidate closer to center by far. WIth the restraints the other branches will put on him he may be part of the most reasonable government we can have for the next 4 years. Until I see a Sadaam Hussien like clearing of congress, I am not believing all this Hitler rhetoric.[/quote]

Yes, Trump himself may be controlled legally by the other branches but what about the thugs he will enable by institutionalizing his attitudes towards his list of non-favored outgroups? This is what those of us with non-white skin fear the most – for me, going back to a time when all I had to do was walk into a room, see the smirks form, and then… here it comes…someone blurts out a caricature of how they think Asians speak. Thank goodness for PC at least it’s not done to my face anymore.

[FlyerInHi]

Trump is right about one thing. We are no longer the shinning city on the hill.
But America still is. All you have to do is watch the Canadian PM personally welcoming Syrian refugees. Such optics would kill politicians in the USA. The Toronto Star, Canada’s largest paper ran a full front page welcome to the refugees.

Trump’s message is one of ignorance and fear.

Sanders message is better, but still negative. Yes, we need to rebuild the middle class, reduce income inequality, invest in our people and infrastructure; but we still need to trade and engage with the rest of the world and become better world citizens.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Also, who’s to say that you (or your kids) won’t fall in love with a Muslim or Latino and marry them? You never know who your family will be in the future.[/quote]

I missed this post earlier.

In California, people have been bitching and moving to Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Texas… since the 1980s. That resulted in prop 187 in the 90s.

I would say of the remaining White people in CA, the preponderance are now married to Hispanics or non-Whites, or have family, no more than 3 separations apart, who do.

California, Nevada, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, Tuscon, Houston, Dallas and all major big cities will undergo transformative demographics in this generation and next.

[flyer]

Imo, per usual, all of the candidates are selling promises to the masses upon which they can’t deliver–and the masses on both sides of the spectrum are buying into the rhetoric in spades. This definitely speaks to a level of desperation in this country beyond any I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.

Granted, individual politicians can affect change by minute degree, but nothing close to the magnitude of the promises that are being made, when you take the system of checks and balances among the three branches of government into consideration. People must have forgotten we don’t live under the rule of monarchy.

It’s sad to watch all of the conflict fueled by selling these empty
promises–again, on both sides–paired with the desperation of so many people who actually believe any politician can change their lives in any meaningful way.

[njtosd]

[quote=no_such_reality]More like Deutschland 1932.[/quote]

More like Deutschland 2016 based on the recent elections. The anti immigrant party did very well…. Suddenly everyone is getting conservative. I don’t like Trump, or Hillary, but I think the conservatives are a little more unified. Liberals tend to be more diverse (includes Catholics and atheists for example).

[spdrun]

Sounds like there are fucking idiots in Germany too.

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