Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

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I think part of it is the elitism that seems to go along with being a lib.[/quote]

How can I be elite? I watch Trailer Park Boys regularly and enjoy it![/quote]

I believe the perception among libs is: Only poor white trash is largely supporting Trump. For the most part these are people who get up early, hop in a F-150 work hard all day, and wash their hands before they eat dinner.

You know, the people that libs have great disdain for….

Because libs are highly educated and so much smarter and better – well, at least in their own mind. We’re cool hipsters ya know. Craft Beer. Etc…

Libs/hipsters really do look down their nose at the working class – or as Trump calls them ‘less educated’.

[outtamojo]

I thought libs were in favor of higher minimum wages and wanted all blue collar to Unionize so they can rise up against their oppressors and grab a more equal slice of pie.

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[quote=outtamojo]I thought libs were in favor of higher minimum wages and wanted all blue collar to Unionize so they can rise up against their oppressors and grab a more equal slice of pie.[/quote]

Skilled blue collar workers are doing just fine. In general they make much more than min wage.

I think you are referring to lazy unskilled workers. Many of whom have been incorrectly taught (by teachers, parents, etc…) since a young age on that they are oppressed by white people and corporations.

They rarely or never look in the mirror. They feel entitled.

[svelte]

[quote=paramount]Because libs are highly educated and so much smarter and better – well, at least in their own mind. We’re cool hipsters ya know. Craft Beer. Etc…

Libs/hipsters really do look down their nose at the working class – or as Trump calls them ‘less educated’.
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…OK, so you think libs are highly educated and smart…

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[quote=outtamojo]I thought libs were in favor of higher minimum wages and wanted all blue collar to Unionize so they can rise up against their oppressors and grab a more equal slice of pie.[/quote]

Skilled blue collar workers are doing just fine. In general they make much more than min wage.

I think you are referring to lazy unskilled workers. Many of whom have been incorrectly taught (by teachers, parents, etc…) since a young age on that they are oppressed by white people and corporations.
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…now you think they are lazy and unskilled. So you think libs are highly educated, smart, lazy, and unskilled? Wow.

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Libs/hipsters really do look down their nose at the working class…
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I hope you realize that you could replace “Libs/hipsters” with “Wealthy Republicans” in that sentence and be just as accurate.

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The establishment is so fearful (of losing power) they are now resorting to identying Trump with Nazi’s, kkk and who knows what else.

Again, I’m not a Trump supporter but this is ridiculous.[/quote]

How else should one supposed to interpret Trump’s failure to disavow david duke?

I found trump refreshing initially. But now he just looks like a mad racist.[/quote]

You interpret based on the bias you have.

I saw the interview and his response seemed reasonable to me – he basically had no idea what Tapper was talking about. How does he know that Tapper is providing reliable/accurate info? He said he knows nothing about white supremacy. Fair enough.[/quote]

We must have watched two different interviews. This is what I am referring to (right at the beginning of the video):

He knew exactly what tapper was talking about. And to declare that he “knows nothing about david duke” is a blatant lie.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/01/fact-check-donald-trump-david-duke/81146158/

[ltsddd]

btw., I think trump is great…for the democrat nominee.

[Rich Toscano]

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I believe the perception among libs is: Only poor white trash is largely supporting Trump. For the most part these are people who get up early, hop in a F-150 work hard all day, and wash their hands before they eat dinner.

You know, the people that libs have great disdain for….

Because libs blah blah blah

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Rule #1 (of very few) on this site… as you surely know by now:

Do not try to turn any discussion, even if already political in nature, into a left-vs-right slapfest. (reference)

I know you like to troll, paramount, but please do so within the confines of acceptable site behavior. You know, like calling us all child molesters, etc.

[Coronita]

[quote=ltsdd]btw., I think trump is great…for the democrat nominee.[/quote]

I never thought I would ever vote for Hillary. But as a moderate Republican, I really see no choice if Trump is the GOP nominee. Not that I particularly like Cruz anymore. At this point, the GOP brand is so badly damaged at the national level, it doesn’t really matter anymore IMHO.

You simply can’t run a platform on hate.

Oh well, I’ll still vote for all the moderate republicans in CA state assembly and senate. No party should have a supermajority.

I think I am in good company with Meg Whitman

[scaredyclassic]

Well I still like trump, even after the John Oliver segment. I’ll definitely take him over Clinton. But vermin supreme is still my first choice, although I hesitate to throw my vote away on vermin, even though his free pony mandatory dental health laws are best.

Trump is the only candidate as absurd as vermin supreme therefor I support him.

[bearishgurl]

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The establishment is so fearful (of losing power) they are now resorting to identying Trump with Nazi’s, kkk and who knows what else.

Again, I’m not a Trump supporter but this is ridiculous.[/quote]

How else should one supposed to interpret Trump’s failure to disavow david duke?

I found trump refreshing initially. But now he just looks like a mad racist.[/quote]

You interpret based on the bias you have.

I saw the interview and his response seemed reasonable to me – he basically had no idea what Tapper was talking about. How does he know that Tapper is providing reliable/accurate info? He said he knows nothing about white supremacy. Fair enough.[/quote]

We must have watched two different interviews. This is what I am referring to (right at the beginning of the video):

He knew exactly what tapper was talking about. And to declare that he “knows nothing about david duke” is a blatant lie.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/01/fact-check-donald-trump-david-duke/81146158/
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Not to be defending Trump here, but he was very visibly tired (maybe even exhausted) when Tapper threw that question at him. Anyone with half a brain and knows how to use it knows that Trump has never had anything to do with David Duke or the KKK. A candidate can’t control all the looneybins out there who get on social media and say he/she would make a good president.

. . . On Feb. 26, Trump held a press conference to announce the endorsement of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. With Christie at his side, Trump was asked how he felt about receiving Duke’s support. “I didn’t even know he endorsed me,” Trump said, clearly irritated by the question. “David Duke endorsed me? OK. Alright. I disavow. OK?” . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/01/fact-check-donald-trump-david-duke/81146158/

Trump didn’t want to give this ridiculous “endorsement” even a second more air time that it deserved. I honestly think that when Tapper first threw the question at Trump that it was truly a complete surprise to him and he was knocked off balance (after several days of getting very little sleep).

And I’m so done with the MSM bombarding me with irrelevant drivel they dug up which Trump might have been quoted as saying as far back as 1988 when he was simply floating the idea of running for public office but never did so (now I know why I turned in my cable box). The issues our country had back in those years and the issues it has today are night and day. Rubio and Cruz are too young to track back 25 years ago and blast on the air today what they were saying or doing back then cuz they were kids at the time. It’s not a level playing field between the Republican candidates in this regard. Nor do I CARE who Chelsea’s biological dad actually is (a moot topic at this late date) or whether or not Bill and Hill have had a marriage of convenience or simply “for show” the past 2+ or even 4 decades due to both Bill and Hill’s future political aspirations. If this is actually factual, than they are just one married couple among many millions, lol …. if they’re happy with their “arrangement,” I’m happy.

And at this moment, I’m still a registered Independent. I’m going over ALL the candidate’s proposals with a fine-toothed comb on what they will do to reform/repeal Obamacare and especially the Medicaid expansion portion of it which is a complete disaster. There are millions upon millions of 55-64 year olds living in states with expanded Medicaid/Medi-Cal who are very comfortably living on a reported $15K – $35K annual income and are also able to afford a reasonably priced healthplan on their own (without a subsidy) and HAD been paying their own healthplan premiums without fail until Obamacare swooped in, causing their longtime insurer to exit their states. This is ESPecially true in CA where many homeowners in this group are paying property taxes on an assessment equivalent to 1/2 to 1/10 of their actual property value. This group can easily live without public premium assistance until they reach the age of 65 and are eligible for Medicare IF the six major carriers who exited the state at the end of 2013 are brought back in to compete for business AND are allowed to sell policies (incl HDHPs) which cover their members across state lines with a HUGE nationwide list of providers.

As it should be.

The gubment has no business whatsoever dragging everyone in this group who signed up on the exchange into their “Medi-Cal dragnet.” Medi-Cal managed care plans in CA don’t even have enough providers to serve the truly poor, much less for those who can easily immediately access funds to pay a $5K deductible and/or a $12K OOP maximum annually. HOW DARE my gubment tell me how much I can and can’t pay and what kind of healthplan I’m required to buy (or in the case of forced Medi-Cal placement …. “join”) and subject my estate to repayment of all “premiums” from day one which I never used! I predict what boomers are left on Obamacare are going to drop like flies off of it in the coming year …. at least those who reside in states which adopted expanded Medicaid, do not currently have any serious health problems and who have any assets at all. Carriers participating on the exchanges are ripping boomers off on their monthly collection of our now exorbitant premiums which have only been artificially run up due to the existence of gubment subsidies (much like the cost of college has been run up in recent decades due to the proliferation of available student loans). The carriers now feel they can get away with 20%+ annual rate hikes due to lack of competition and because they think their members don’t feel it (exorbitant rate hikes) as much due to receiving a “subsidy” to help pay their premiums.

Whoever gets elected POTUS needs to repeal the ACA in its entirety or piecemeal beginning the day after they are inaugurated …. yes, even Hillary. To that end, I’ll help in any way I can.

[FlyerInHi]

Bearish, why is Trump’s obamacare plan any better than Cruz’ or Rubio’s?
Trump plan so far is simply to get rid of state boundaries.

[FlyerInHi]

I just watched Romey’s speech.
At this point I doubt Trump supporter care what the establishment is saying. They want “down to earth” speech, not “eletist” political talk. To Trump’s credit, he is increasing republican turnout. That’s worrisome for democrats in the general election.

On the bright side, we now know what the Republican base is all about.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Bearish, why is Trump’s obamacare plan any better than Cruz’ or Rubio’s?
Trump plan so far is simply to get rid of state boundaries.[/quote]
I don’t yet know that Trump’s plan is any better. But “getting rid of state boundaries” will be HUGE! If those six major carriers who exited the CA individual market at the end of 2013 are allowed to come back into the state, they can sell PPO healthplans and compete with one another on price. Right now, we only have ONE carrier (BSoC) selling PPOs in nearly all of the 19 regions of CA and Anthem Blue Cross selling a PPO in a very few regions (SD County excepted). The other major carriers who formerly sold PPOs in CA (before the ACA was put into place) are now gone, forced out by Covered CA. Cigna currently offers a couple of Bronze plans on the open market in SD but by law, now has the same open enrollment periods as CC does and cannot take new customers until about October 15 unless they can prove a “qualifying event.”

Only PPO plans (and indemnity policies) offer nationwide provider access. The other types of healthplans (EPO and HMO) have a “locked” network located in a particular coverage area and only offer coverage out of that locale in a true emergency.

[FlyerInHi]

So, BG, if not obamacare that you rant about, what else is causing you to lean to Trump?

[no_such_reality]

I understand the basic appeal at a visceral level, but do most of them not recognize every trait of their worst boss ever whenever he wants his way?

Do they truly not realize that “you’re fired” would be applied to them before the end of the first day if they ever set forth in a Drumpf business?

I’m genuinely curious as I don’t believe the majority are overtly racist or total suck-ups. Are they just oblivious and uninformed as to who Drumpf really is? Or like Drumpf, are they just a bully at heart wishing they could throw money and their ‘weight’ around?

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