Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]So, BG, if not obamacare that you rant about, what else is causing you to lean to Trump?[/quote]I’m not “leaning to Trump” yet. I’m currently looking at ALL the candidates’ views on Obamacare and what they plan to do to repeal or reform it. That is what is in MY best interest at this time and the issue I’m most concerned about.

[FlyerInHi]

Braggadocio is a big part of American culture. That’s why people are fascinated by and admire mob figures.

Plus it’s considered elitist to think policy. People just want what feels good to them. That’s very much anti-Christian but the majority of people claim to the Christian. “Carpet bombing”, “making the sand slow”, “build a wall” are not Christian values.

[FlyerInHi]

BG, btw, what you complain about obamacare is not a feature of the law.
What you say it not likely accurate. Just remember that private insurance companies react to the marketplace and the situation is different everyday.

Anyway, let us know when you find a candidate’s proposal to give you what you want. Not going to happen.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality]I understand the basic appeal at a visceral level, but do most of them not recognize every trait of their worst boss ever whenever he wants his way?

Do they truly not realize that “you’re fired” would be applied to them before the end of the first day if they ever set forth in a Drumpf business?

I’m genuinely curious as I don’t believe the majority are overtly racist or total suck-ups. Are they just oblivious and uninformed as to who Drumpf really is? Or like Drumpf, are they just a bully at heart wishing they could throw money and their ‘weight’ around?[/quote]This is “crazy talk,” NSR. All this huffing and puffing and posturing on the bully pulpit on the part of Trump is going to be so over if he should ever get elected. He has stated numerous times (when asked) that he plans on selecting a running mate based upon his or her “governmental experience.” After his inauguration (if that should actually happen), Trump will follow around the heads of the various Federal agencies in the Capitol and the Pentagon like a puppy dog for the first few weeks/months of his presidency and learn in-depth how “the cow ate the cabbage” (as they say in TX/OK, lol). He KNOWS he’s not a bureaucrat and won’t be able to successfully effect any change at all if he doesn’t understand in great detail how the helm of our great nation works.

People are reading wa-a-a-ay too much into Trump’s off-the-cuff statements made strictly for “effect.” If you’re really interested in learning his positions on the issues, visit his website:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, btw, what you complain about obamacare is not a feature of the law.
What you say it not likely accurate. Just remember that private insurance companies react to the marketplace and the situation is different everyday.

Anyway, let us know when you find a candidate’s proposal to give you what you want. Not going to happen.[/quote]
FIH, can you explain further exactly what it is that you are discussing in the italicized portion of this comment?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]
People are reading wa-a-a-ay too much into Trump’s off-the-cuff statements made strictly for “effect”[/quote]

Why are the effect, bombast, and the statements necessary if the voters dont actually believe him?

[Sandi Egan]

Trump’s success has nothing to do with his policy proposals, issue stances etc. People are just fed up – pure and simple – with the status quo. Polls consistently show that overwhelming majority of citizens think the country is on the wrong track. Voting for any establishment politician only perpetuates the problem. So a vote for Trump is really a vote against the establishment.
Here’s what some of his supporters have to say. Note the diverse demographic: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donald-trump-voters-speak-out

BTW, I am NOT a Trump supporter. I would seriously consider Bernie, given a chance. I strongly believe that if a system doesn’t work, it’s my duty to vote for a change. And if the system is fundamentally flawed, the change must be equally radical.

[outtamojo]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]I understand the basic appeal at a visceral level, but do most of them not recognize every trait of their worst boss ever whenever he wants his way?

Do they truly not realize that “you’re fired” would be applied to them before the end of the first day if they ever set forth in a Drumpf business?

I’m genuinely curious as I don’t believe the majority are overtly racist or total suck-ups. Are they just oblivious and uninformed as to who Drumpf really is? Or like Drumpf, are they just a bully at heart wishing they could throw money and their ‘weight’ around?[/quote]This is “crazy talk,” NSR. All this huffing and puffing and posturing on the bully pulpit on the part of Trump is going to be so over if he should ever get elected. He has stated numerous times (when asked) that he plans on selecting a running mate based upon his or her “governmental experience.” After his inauguration (if that should actually happen), Trump will follow around the heads of the various Federal agencies in the Capitol and the Pentagon like a puppy dog for the first few weeks/months of his presidency and learn in-depth how “the cow ate the cabbage” (as they say in TX/OK, lol). He KNOWS he’s not a bureaucrat and won’t be able to successfully effect any change at all if he doesn’t understand in great detail how the helm of our great nation works.

People are reading wa-a-a-ay too much into Trump’s off-the-cuff statements made strictly for “effect.” If you’re really interested in learning his positions on the issues, visit his website:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions%5B/quote%5D

Wait- how do we know when he is speaking off the cuff and when he really means it? and how do YOU happen to know?
Hard to imagine Trump all of a sudden being a puppy dog. Doesn’t he bill himself as anti-establishment? Why would he follow and learn the ways of THE establishment if he is ANT-establishment?

[outtamojo]

Fascinating read on off the cuff comments and comments made for effect.

http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I just watched Romey’s speech.
At this point I doubt Trump supporter care what the establishment is saying. They want “down to earth” speech, not “elitist” political talk…

On the bright side, we now know what the Republican base is all about.[/quote]

Here’s an article showing that Romney was saying many of the same things in 2012 that Trump is saying now. But he was saying it more nicely and, sometimes, in code.

From that article,

“Trumpism is Republican conservatism stripped of its politesse.”

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/opinions/mitt-romney-gop-trump-waldman/

But then Trump adds the truth about what republicans have really been doing “for” the working class:

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/02/listen_to_the_donald_trump_voters_it_has_taken_an_ignorant_demagogue_to_tell_truth_about_gop_humiliate_party_establishment/

It was a genius reading of the working-class voter by Trump. Hence the votes.

[zk]

dup

[zk]

[quote=no_such_reality]Or like Drumpf, are they just a bully at heart wishing they could throw money and their ‘weight’ around?[/quote]

Kind of living vicariously through him. Interesting. Another thing he seems to have read well.

[no_such_reality]

No way BG, the only thing in his positions that makes any sense is saying medical providers need transparency in pricing, the rest is ill thought out hot air. Much like build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, which is a policy position of his. Or the even deeper, balance the budget and cut taxes.

The budget is posted, go balance it…

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=bearishgurl]
I don’t yet know that Trump’s plan is any better. But “getting rid of state boundaries” will be HUGE! [/quote]

Hi BG:

Here is a contrary view from a respected insurance industry person. He is not a fan or supporter of Obamacare by the way! While he criticises Obamacre a lot, he does not think that “getting rid of state boundaries” is going to do anything!

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2016/02/selling-health-insurance-across-state.html

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/silly-republican-insurance-reform.html

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-republican-alternative-to.html

[no_such_reality]

[quote=]This is nothing more than an attempt to take the market back to the days of cherry picking risk––figuring out how to sell policies to only the healthy people.[/quote]

This is what we had prior to ACA, which was great, as long as you didn’t get sick, injured, or developed something like a skin cancer.

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