Preventive War

[4plexowner]

There seem to be a lot of people on Piggington’s that support Bush and what he is up to.

Here are some quotes for you to consider:

You cannot prevent and prepare for war at the same time. ~Albert Einstein

Preventive war is like committing suicide for fear of death. ~Bismarck

[TheBreeze]

Here’s another relevant quote:

“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” ~George Bush

It looks like Bush knows his base pretty well. 😉

[bgates]

Breeze, that line is almost as funny as the fact that you think finding it on a website, without citation, means it must be true. That website knows its market pretty well – suckers who will believe anything that speaks badly of Bush. It’s not like the man lacks documented verbal screwups, yet you can’t manage to find anything real to support what I’ll generously call your ‘point’?

4plex, we were prepared for war in Kuwait from 1991 to 2003, and no war came. We were unprepared in 1990, and guess what?

Suppose we made an immediate, credible commitment to abjure preparation for war, and withdrew all American forces to the US. Would that make war more or less likely in Korea? Or Taiwan? Israel made a preemptive strike against Iraq’s nuclear capability over 20 years ago. Would they have been safer leaving Saddam alone?

[TheBreeze]

Gates, I agree that Bush has many, many, many, many, many documented screwups. And yet … there are those that still support him. Why is that?

Oh yeah, another quote for you: “Nobody died when Clinton lied.”

[CardiffBaseball]

Preventative War – Israel’s coming strategic nuclear attack on Iran.

At least according Drudge’s link to the London Times.

[bgates]

Breeze, the way you repeat words is very,very,very convincing.

I still support Bush, with respect to the subject of this thread, because he’s better than the alternatives. We’re at war with religious totalitarians who are happy to die while murdering people who won’t submit to them, and much of the country would rather talk about some long-ago sex scandal with an intern than figure out what to do about the threats facing America today.

We are in Iraq, but many of Iraq’s problems are imported from Iran. We should be putting consistent pressure on Iran over offenses like the shipments of new Iranian arms into the country and the financial aid given to Shia and Sunni militias. We should support Iranian reform movements because it’s the right thing to do and to put pressure on that regime. And we should make Iran and Syria pay a penalty for letting fighters enter Iraq from their soil. No need for an invasion, but the Air Force and Navy could certainly get involved – may as well shoot at them, they’re shooting at us.

Or maybe you’re right, and there would be no war if only Clinton was still president. Maybe our enemies were satisfied with the attempt to destroy the WTC in 1993, the bombing of the army barracks in 1996, and the American embassies in 1998, and the warship in 2000, and they were about to stop. Maybe Saddam was finally convinced to disarm by Clinton’s 1998 bombing campaign (he must have still had WMD capability then, otherwise Clinton would have ‘lied’, right?) Maybe Saddam became a changed man after that. I don’t think so.

Anyway, Clinton couldn’t have served a third term; the alternative to Bush was the lying unilateralist warmonger who said this:

Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint.

Look up who said that one.

[Anonymous]

Yeh, what bg said!

How’s life in Orlando, bg? Hope that you’re squirreling away those dollars that you don’t have to pay in income taxes!

Where’s JES to pile on, here?

[Anonymous]

Who gives a crap what Clinton said about Iraq, he did not direct a botched, poorly planned occupation of Iraq. You can thank W. for that brilliant move.

[bgates]

Hey, jg. Orlando is not San Diego. I’d be willing to pay some income tax to deal with some of the traffic and crime problems. The worst part, though, has been the football. The week the Chargers had their 42 point come from behind win against Cincinnati, I got Miami-Buffalo. I hope I can still see three games with the old home town team between now and the end of the season.

Actually, I got to hear some commentary on the Bengals game. I flipped to C-SPAN at halftime, and John Kerry was saying how Schottenheimer was a failure, he hadn’t made a workable game plan, the Chargers had destroyed their standing in the league and should fly back to San Diego immediately rather than face further humiliation in the second half, etc. I switched back when he started complaining about how soccer’s a better game anyway but Americans are too stupid to appreciate it.

[bgates]

OK, deadzone.

Thanks for trying to forestall a fullscale civilizational war with Islam by setting up the first representative government in the history of the Arab world, Mr President!

Thanks for the reminder, deadzone. I should do that more often.

[Anonymous]

Ha, ha, ha about Kerry/Schottenheimer/Chargers.

Things will get better for the Dolphins when Ricky ‘Ganja Man’ Williams gets back; I read today that he’s begun the process to get reinstated.

Traffic is getting lighter here with the illegals heading back south due to slowdown in work. But, I’m guessing that crime here will be taking a turn for the worse.

High prices, high taxes, and high crime; jeez. I’m clicking my heels now, hoping for Texas. Ouch, my wife just gave me a sharp elbow to the ribs.

[bgates]

You know what Nick Saban said about Ricky Williams, jg – ‘He may have tried marijuana, but at least he never liberated anyone from a totalitarian dictatorship.’

That’s what theBreeze calls a ‘quote’.

[Anonymous]

Kind of silly how the NFL kicks out Ricky Williams for smoking weed while everyone in the league is taking steroids, growth hormones, etc.

[PerryChase]

That’s exactly why I have no sympathy for the athletes who suffer chronic diseases begining middle age. They did it to themselves now let them deal with it.

Kinda like the war. I’m so digusted with Bush that I don’t even care anymore. He dug his own hole, now let him extricate himself out. He won’t listen to reason so the opposition should just sit tight and let him stumble flat on his face. Failure will be his legacy.

[Anonymous]

Heartless, Perry.

Do you feel sorry for Romo, the Dallas quarterback, who just blew it on the hold for the game winning field goal, in the first round of the playoffs?

What a shocking finish!

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