Preventive War

[sdnativeson]

LOL, so much for living in color!

The holy land was originally jewish christianity was then founded there. It was looted by the muslims. So it’s not bullshit, if it’s too hard for you to actually investigate it just look at the chronological order… judiasm, christianity, islam.

[sdnativeson]

mainly that he is such an amoral man. Hey PC, pop quiz, if PC goes in front of a Grand Jury, lies, gets caught where do you think PC would be spending the next few years? Maybe it doesn’t bother you when you are flat out lied to by your president. Don’t jump on the Bush lied bandwagon either, it been beaten into the ground and is a false argument.

I don’t think of myself as a conservative nor a liberal. I don’t follow any party lines as what I deem in my best interest and my family and country’s isn’t set by any party but the rare individual who seems to grasp the intent of our constitution.

So, you would cut off your nose to spite your face. Vote for Hillary? I find her every bit as amoral as her husband.
What does she represent that you respect? Infidelity? Higher taxes? More government interference in your life? (it takes a village to raise a child, sound familar?) If you think Iraq is the biggest foreign mistake in modern foreign policy well… you must be pretty young.

[bgates]

zk, I said the war was intended in part to ward off a civilizational conflict. You pointed to the level of violence in Iraq as evidence that the war had not diminished the risk of civilizational conflict. I pointed out that most of the violent Islamic strife in Iraq was factional, and to the extent Muslim violence is directed inwards it cannot be directed out. I did not explicitly use the phrase ‘in Iraq’, since I was echoing your term ‘Islamic strife’ which you had used in describing Iraq. If that omission caused you to misunderstand me, I apologize for not being more clear.

Nonetheless, it is not incoherent to say that our war in Iraq could head off a larger conflict between us and Muslims while allowing that it has led to a larger conflict among Muslims.

What made me think (classical) liberalism would be popular in Iraq is that it is popular here, among people from around the world including Iraq, and it is popular in Germany and Italy and Japan and South Korea, all non-American states that were saved from tyrranies by us. Yes, I would be happy with the best case outcome of a nonthreatening Muslim world. 60 years ago it took hundreds of thousands of American lives and millions more from allies to reach a state where German and Japanese pride wasn’t a threat. As for the notion that the cost is measured in trillions, let me carefully quote: “You’re certainly entitled to that opinion, but stated with no reasons or substantiation, it’s meaningless.”

As for the number of troops, I would say as many as it takes for as long as it takes. The cost of the war has been historically low. More died in the war in the Philippines 100 years ago, a war not 1 person in a thousand has ever heard of. If we are not a credible power in Iraq, Iran has free reign over the Middle East. The Sunni states are already talking about developing a nuclear deterrent to Iran; that effort will only accelerate if we leave. In our absence, the stage is set for a regional war on top of the world’s energy supply. That, or the Muslims unite to take on us first.

[sdnativeson]

Very, very briefly, the blame would be on a paranoid king fearful of his throne. There is sooooo much history about this that is never ever mentioned in most texts..but if you are afraid of christians, especially catholics dz I can see grasping at straws.

In 1483 Ferdinand appointed Tomas de Torquemada as inquistor-general for most of Spain. It was Torquemada’s job to establish rules of evidence and procedure for the Inquisition as well as to set up branches in major cities. Sixtus confirmed the appointment, hoping that it would bring some order to the situation.

Unfortunately, the problem only snowballed. This was a direct result of the methods employed by the early Spanish Inquisition, which strayed significantly from Church standards. When the inquisitors arrived in a particular area, they would announce an Edict of Grace. This was a 30-day period in which secret Jews could voluntarily come forward, confess their sin, and do penance. This was also a time for others with information about Christians practicing Judaism in secret to make it known to the tribunal. Those found guilty after the 30 days elapsed could be burned at the stake.

[bgates]

Perry,
The Democrats should cover their asses and let Bush make mistakes upon mistakes. – that’s just unAmerican.

Now, if you say, “everything Bush does is wrong, he should pressure Cheney to quit, make Hilary VP, and then resign,” I wouldn’t go so far as to say you’re unAmerican, just wrong (and probably confused about what ‘libertarian’ means.)

But to root for foreign policy mistakes – are you aware that you and Bush live in the same country? What kind of mistake are you rooting for, Perry?

[Anonymous]

“White is no color, Black is all colors. Gray is a muddy mix of both.”

Actually, white is all colors, black is our physiological perception of the absense of light, and gray is, just gray, a mixture of neither.

Not even the simplist of analogies is simple.

[sdnativeson]

I stand corrected!
If I was speaking as to only the content of color (which I guess could be intpreted that I did imply as much but did not mean) then this would be accurate;

White light contains light of all frequencies. In that sense, white is a combination of all colors. Black objects absorb light of all frequencies. This means that very little light is reflected from them. Black is the absence of light.

As far as the absence of color is concerned… you know that if you combine pigments or dyes of different colors, you don’t end up with white. Dyes and pigments work by absorbing light in certain frequency ranges, and
transmitting or reflecting light of other frequencies. If two different dyes are combined, the mixture absorbs light characteristic of BOTH dyes, and transmits light of the remaining frequencies. If you mix togtether dyes that are truly complementary, the mixture will absorb light of all
frequencies, and thus be black. (In practice the best you can do is get a muddy brown, because the different dyes are only approximately complementary.) So it depends on what you mean by “absence of color.”

We perceive colors because we have three types of “cone” cells in our retinas, each of which is most sensitive to certain frequency ranges. These ranges correspond pretty much to red, green, and blue. Our brain interprets the different intensities of the signals from each type of cone
cell to decide what color it sees.

I said “white is the absence of color, Black is all colors and gray is a muddy combination” or something to that effect. My fault for not implicitly stating it as a metaphor

[CardiffBaseball]

Anyone who throws out the Inquisition as a means of implicating christianity is a simpleton. It’s one thing to deviate and abuse your scriptures like what happened in Spain.
It’s entirely another to be following what your scriptures instruct ala fundamentalist throat cutters, or some might say muslims. (Pick your poison).

Sure the fundamentalists are the extreme, but they are also truly practicing that which they are taught.

All Praise be to Allah
Allah Ackbar

[PerryChase]

bgates, I think that the best course of action for the country is new leadership and a whole new policy. That won’t happen until 2008.

There’s no point for the Democrats to risk their political skins arguing with Bush and his neo-cons because they won’t listen. The Republicans will just label them defeatists. Let him have his way and when his policy fails, the voters will throw them all out. Long run, that’s, in my view, the best thing for our country and the world.

I’m not rooting for failure. But I can’t help but think that’s where we’re headed.

On partisanship, Carl Rove took it to new heights. Bullies don’t undertand compromise and talking it over; they believe it’s weakness. The Republicans need a taste of their own medicine so they feel the pain. Just like school bullies, the extreme right doesn’t understand reason… They need a hard punch to stop the intimidation.

[sdnativeson]

PC, I thought you were more libertarian than Democrat.. yet your posts sound like a real live partisan Dem suffering from BDS.. also, “I’m not rooting for failure. But” “but” is a qualifier, so the “I’m not rooting for failure” is a meaningless statement, oh hell, I’ll just say it, it’s a either a lie or just not thought out well.

You ARE rooting for failure so Bush and the Republicans you dislike so much can go down in history as corrupt, stupid, warmongering, imperialistic, whatever adjectives you choose.

But then, you are going to vote for Hillary. Indulge me, what are the values she holds that inspire you to vote for her? Tough question to answer as it depends on the day of the week and to whom she is lying, I mean speaking to at the moment.

[sdnativeson]

PC, I thought you were more libertarian than Democrat.. yet your posts sound like a real live partisan Dem suffering from BDS.. also, “I’m not rooting for failure. But” “but” is a qualifier, so the “I’m not rooting for failure” is a meaningless statement, oh hell, I’ll just say it, it’s a either a lie or just not thought out well.

You ARE rooting for failure so Bush and the Republicans you dislike so much can go down in history as corrupt, stupid, warmongering, imperialistic, whatever adjectives you choose.

But then, you are going to vote for Hillary. Indulge me, what are the values she holds that inspire you to vote for her? Tough question to answer as it depends on the day of the week and to whom she is lying, I mean speaking to at the moment.

[PerryChase]

The Republican Party is not for small government. They are for imposing their values on America; but rather then doing it in a convincing manner, they bully their way around. That’s why I think that they need a lesson.

When I was a teenager, our family used to take road trips on European country roads (way before GPS and MapQuest). I would argue about the best way to get to destination. Well, my dad said “you lead the way, son.” Sometimes, we wouldn’t get to destination until late in the evening. Well, I learned humility and I learned cooperation.

[sdnativeson]

I agree the Republicans have, at least most of them deviated from the party’s original principles toward government.

One could easily take the Republican out of that statement and replace Democrat and IMHO it would be even more accurate.

I think both parties need a lesson.

I see Pelosi and Co. already reneging on their campaign promises for their first 100 hours. (LOL 2.5 weeks…) Big surprise, but I would be dishonest to say that it’s strictly a democratic trait.

Still, the Democrats give me a much bigger “charge” than the Republicans. They outright don’t practice what they preach, for my primary example they hamstrung the senate on numerous issues for the last three years through partisan tactics. They campaigned on ending the partisan politics but they’ve reneged on that already. Why not? They were the obstructionists in the first place.

I look at the Democrats behaviour and I see their leaderships primary interest is gaining control of the government, even if they have to cripple the country to do so which they effectively did. They wasted years creating stalemates because the agenda being passed wasn’t theirs.

I don’t see humility or cooperation being exercised by Pelosi or Reid but I never expected to, and Teddy Kennedy?
don’t even get me started there.

If you’re for small government and not blinded by hubris and truly would work with anyone whose goal is to strengthen America and enhance the quality of life for it’s citizens then run for office. You got my vote.

[PerryChase]

If you're for small government and not blinded by hubris and truly would work with anyone whose goal is to strengthen America and enhance the quality of life for it's citizens then run for office. You got my vote.

I agree with you, sdnative.

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