Preventive War

[sdrealtor]

F*%K DALLAS!

[greekfire]

Concerning Romo, what goes up must come down. I can’t believe he got selected to the Pro Bowl after only 6 games of experience. Now that I think of it, did you see the replay of the ball that was snapped? It looked like it was rubbed down with olive oil, KY, or another lubricant of some sort. No wonder he muffed it. Either way, I don’t care as long as my Patriots beat the Jets tomorrow. You know Drew Bledsoe is smiling to himself after Romo’s performance tonight.

[greekfire]

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[zk]

bgates:

“Thanks for trying to forestall a fullscale civilizational war with Islam by setting up the first representative government in the history of the Arab world, Mr President!”

Setting up a representative government? Where? When? Surely you don’t mean Iraq. That country’s government can’t even protect its people, let alone represent them.

“trying to forestall a fullscale civilizational war with Islam.”

By invading the least Islamic nation in the middle east and turning it into the middle east nation with the most violent Islamic strife? By angering most of the muslims in the world by attacking Iraq? By creating an outlaw land that is a perfect place to recruit, train, develop and turn loose on the world islamic terrorists? Sounds to me like he vastly increased the potential for fullscale civilizational war with Islam.

[pencilneck]

Mission accomplished.

[sdnativeson]

I have no love for Bush and I disagree with
a fair amount of his ideas. At least he seems to have a
fixed set of beliefs.I have less for B. Clinton
whom, to me, is a traitor to our country and deserves the
sentence that comes with it.
So, Einstein said some stupid things,
Bismarck, well a Prussian diplomat…
to a Prussian he was a man without balls and
ultimately destroyed his country.
The strong have no need of diplomacy they have
the might and the will to bend things to their will,
for the moment at least.
It is a matter of benevolence for the strong to
entertain diplomatic overture and when done it’s
not for benevolent reasons there is an ulterior motive.
No one forsaw the current situation in Iraq.
Being American we tried to give them a chance
of self-government and create a republic.
We should have just installed an American friendly
ruler then turned our attention to Iran then the
Saudis. Run away from Iraq, make it another Vietnam and southeast Asia, this time however the war spills onto our continent.

[JJGittes]

Regarding Clinton, I guess my question is: What did he do to piss off all those islamists? I mean, really, during his reign we had the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, the bombing of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and then the majority of the planning and preparation for 9-11. Clinton’s response during his presidency was limp at best, and to treat it all like a law enforcement issue. Yet, even though he was nice and civilized, they still escalated. Again, for the life of me, I just can’t figure out what he did to make the hate us sooo much…? Under the reasoning of the Left, thyey should have reciprocated with civility and kindness…right?

[surveyor]

It’s not about Clinton.

They hated us a long time ago, before Clinton, before the U.S. even existed.

[zk]

“B. Clinton whom, to me, is a traitor to our country.”

You’re certainly entitled to that opinion, but stated with no reasons or substantiation, it’s meaningless.

“No one forsaw the current situation in Iraq.”

That’s not true. The following quote is from George Bush (the smart one), 1998:

“Extending the war into Iraq would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Exceeding the U.N.’s mandate would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.”

[Anonymous]

What makes Clinton a traitor? That is a jackass comment.

The Islamic hatred of the US was started with the creation of the state of Israel. The US, thanks to the powerful and wealthy Jewish lobby has backed Israel since the beginning, providing enourmous financial backing and military weaponry. That is the reason we are hated by the Islamic fundamentalists, and that is why they practice terrorism agains US interests. To argue anything else is pure ingorance (most Americans are clueless to this obvious fact).

Neither Bush nor Clinton had anything to do with causing the Islamic hatred of the US. However, Bush’s disastrous invasion of Iraq is a completely different issue. Whether you agree with the original reasoning or not, there is no debate that the occupation was poorly planned and has beeen an utter disaster.

[bgates]

zk – ‘least Islamic nation in the Middle East’? The one whose dictator thought it wise to add ‘allahu akbar’ to the flag? The one where Ayatollah Sistani has so much clout? Lebanon is 30% Christian, Turkey has a 70 year history of secular rule, and from many reports Iranians have grown disenchanted with their theocracy, so I think you’re overstating your argument there.

Most of the violent Islamic strife is one Muslim faction vs another. To the extent Muslim savagery turns inward, it turns away from us. Islamic aggression against the US has been growing for 30 years. How would you suggest stopping it?

[PerryChase]

Not only are progressives criticizing Bush but even conservatives such as Republican Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon have spoken up. This is not a partisan issue.

Listen for youself. War is “criminal,” “dereliction.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2714291

deadzone, I’m not clueless 🙂 You pretty much summarized the root cause of why the Arabs hate us. Taking their oil for industrial development in the West while they lived in poverty is another reason (think Colonial oppression by the French and Brits then America’s support for the dictators).

[bgates]

deadzone, what’s your solution? Cut off support to a long term ally, watch as they’re slaughtered, and hope we’re not next?

Is Israel the cause of Islamist violence in Somalia, Kashmir, Thailand, and the Philippines, besides everywhere else in the world?

Perry, Gordon said in those same comments that if we are there, we should try to win. Do you agree with him (and McCain and Lieberman – you’re right, this isn’t a partisan issue)? If you “just don’t care anymore,” why do you keep posting about it? Do you imagine that Islamist violence is Bush’s problem alone? I have bad news for you – it predates him, and it will outlast him, which means pretending it will vanish in 2008 is a guaranteed loser of an idea.

Surely you know that the oil isn’t ‘taken’, it’s bought – and if we didn’t buy it, what kind of shape would the Arab world be in? Why are you so invested in justifying the motives of people who want to kill you?

[JJGittes]

bgates, you forgot that little bit of nastiness in Bali too. Ah, but no doubt that was the fault of the evil Jews, and/or the USA by way of the oil we steal at $50-70 a barrel. Finally, it’s all clear to me now and I can get back to the doom and gloom of San Diego’s RE market.

[bgates]

JJ, Bali was in 2002, right? So I assumed it was a reaction to the Iraq invasion, like the siege of Vienna in 1683 and the sack of Constantinople.

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