Ot would we all be safer if everyone were armed?

[Anonymous]

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[all]

[quote=faterikcartman][quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc%5B/quote%5D

There are significant cultural differences within Germany. There is significant dislike for East Germans in the western part. There are Hochdeutschers (Bavaria, Saxony…) and Niederdeutschers (everyone else). There are religious groups. There is also significant immigration population and there is really no sincere effort to accept immigrants as equal.

I agree with what you said about the importance of less violent culture. Introducing a ban in an environment where guns and violence are the cornerstone of pop-culture would not help much. Still, I thing creating a cultural environment were guns are not celebrated and nicknamed and where restriction in access would be seen as natural way of preventing disturbed persons from acquisition would make everyone safer more than giving everyone a piece or two.

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman][quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc%5B/quote%5D

There are significant cultural differences within Germany. There is significant dislike for East Germans in the western part. There are Hochdeutschers (Bavaria, Saxony…) and Niederdeutschers (everyone else). There are religious groups. There is also significant immigration population and there is really no sincere effort to accept immigrants as equal.

I agree with what you said about the importance of less violent culture. Introducing a ban in an environment where guns and violence are the cornerstone of pop-culture would not help much. Still, I thing creating a cultural environment were guns are not celebrated and nicknamed and where restriction in access would be seen as natural way of preventing disturbed persons from acquisition would make everyone safer more than giving everyone a piece or two.

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman][quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc%5B/quote%5D

There are significant cultural differences within Germany. There is significant dislike for East Germans in the western part. There are Hochdeutschers (Bavaria, Saxony…) and Niederdeutschers (everyone else). There are religious groups. There is also significant immigration population and there is really no sincere effort to accept immigrants as equal.

I agree with what you said about the importance of less violent culture. Introducing a ban in an environment where guns and violence are the cornerstone of pop-culture would not help much. Still, I thing creating a cultural environment were guns are not celebrated and nicknamed and where restriction in access would be seen as natural way of preventing disturbed persons from acquisition would make everyone safer more than giving everyone a piece or two.

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman][quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc%5B/quote%5D

There are significant cultural differences within Germany. There is significant dislike for East Germans in the western part. There are Hochdeutschers (Bavaria, Saxony…) and Niederdeutschers (everyone else). There are religious groups. There is also significant immigration population and there is really no sincere effort to accept immigrants as equal.

I agree with what you said about the importance of less violent culture. Introducing a ban in an environment where guns and violence are the cornerstone of pop-culture would not help much. Still, I thing creating a cultural environment were guns are not celebrated and nicknamed and where restriction in access would be seen as natural way of preventing disturbed persons from acquisition would make everyone safer more than giving everyone a piece or two.

[all]

[quote=faterikcartman][quote=captcha] Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.
[/quote]

Much more homogeneous than we are. Moreover, more culturally distinct. And, importantly, a culture less inclined to violence. As your numbers indicate, less even without guns being involved. Guns are not the issue. And the current German stance on foreigners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIvb2PSGhc%5B/quote%5D

There are significant cultural differences within Germany. There is significant dislike for East Germans in the western part. There are Hochdeutschers (Bavaria, Saxony…) and Niederdeutschers (everyone else). There are religious groups. There is also significant immigration population and there is really no sincere effort to accept immigrants as equal.

I agree with what you said about the importance of less violent culture. Introducing a ban in an environment where guns and violence are the cornerstone of pop-culture would not help much. Still, I thing creating a cultural environment were guns are not celebrated and nicknamed and where restriction in access would be seen as natural way of preventing disturbed persons from acquisition would make everyone safer more than giving everyone a piece or two.

[desmond]

Good news on the handgun ammo law in CA:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/19/state/n132211S78.DTL&type=politics

[desmond]

Good news on the handgun ammo law in CA:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/19/state/n132211S78.DTL&type=politics

[desmond]

Good news on the handgun ammo law in CA:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/19/state/n132211S78.DTL&type=politics

[desmond]

Good news on the handgun ammo law in CA:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/19/state/n132211S78.DTL&type=politics

[desmond]

Good news on the handgun ammo law in CA:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/19/state/n132211S78.DTL&type=politics

[sdrealtor]

I wont even begin to enter this conversation because while I despise guns I hold equal disdain for being told how to live my life. So time for a little anecdote. I was down in the South Bay having lunch at a Chula Vista sandwich shoppe today. The place was full of plain clothes cops and I could not believe how heavily armed these guys were. They literally had arsenals strapped to every appendage of their bodies. Guns, knives, billy clubs, brass knuckles, what looked like grenades and more. I couldnt believe how heavily armored they were and had never seen anything like that.

Of course being the guy I am, I sat down next to them and chatted them up. They were gang and drug task force members who deal with what they referred to as the 1%er’s. While I was glad there were guys (and actually one gal) like that around to deal with people like that, I was very happy to return back to my McMansion filled, gridlocked Nirvana in North County.

[sdrealtor]

I wont even begin to enter this conversation because while I despise guns I hold equal disdain for being told how to live my life. So time for a little anecdote. I was down in the South Bay having lunch at a Chula Vista sandwich shoppe today. The place was full of plain clothes cops and I could not believe how heavily armed these guys were. They literally had arsenals strapped to every appendage of their bodies. Guns, knives, billy clubs, brass knuckles, what looked like grenades and more. I couldnt believe how heavily armored they were and had never seen anything like that.

Of course being the guy I am, I sat down next to them and chatted them up. They were gang and drug task force members who deal with what they referred to as the 1%er’s. While I was glad there were guys (and actually one gal) like that around to deal with people like that, I was very happy to return back to my McMansion filled, gridlocked Nirvana in North County.

[sdrealtor]

I wont even begin to enter this conversation because while I despise guns I hold equal disdain for being told how to live my life. So time for a little anecdote. I was down in the South Bay having lunch at a Chula Vista sandwich shoppe today. The place was full of plain clothes cops and I could not believe how heavily armed these guys were. They literally had arsenals strapped to every appendage of their bodies. Guns, knives, billy clubs, brass knuckles, what looked like grenades and more. I couldnt believe how heavily armored they were and had never seen anything like that.

Of course being the guy I am, I sat down next to them and chatted them up. They were gang and drug task force members who deal with what they referred to as the 1%er’s. While I was glad there were guys (and actually one gal) like that around to deal with people like that, I was very happy to return back to my McMansion filled, gridlocked Nirvana in North County.

[sdrealtor]

I wont even begin to enter this conversation because while I despise guns I hold equal disdain for being told how to live my life. So time for a little anecdote. I was down in the South Bay having lunch at a Chula Vista sandwich shoppe today. The place was full of plain clothes cops and I could not believe how heavily armed these guys were. They literally had arsenals strapped to every appendage of their bodies. Guns, knives, billy clubs, brass knuckles, what looked like grenades and more. I couldnt believe how heavily armored they were and had never seen anything like that.

Of course being the guy I am, I sat down next to them and chatted them up. They were gang and drug task force members who deal with what they referred to as the 1%er’s. While I was glad there were guys (and actually one gal) like that around to deal with people like that, I was very happy to return back to my McMansion filled, gridlocked Nirvana in North County.

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