OT: Temecula Police “DUI” Checkpoint @ 8AM on a Wed Morning!!!

[spdrun]

It’s clearly not true in all states — read about Officer Daniel Harmon-Wright, who was a violent drunkard in VA who got hired because his mommie worked at the town hall.

Now serving several years in prison for manslaughter, and it’s a shame he wasn’t locked up for 25-to-life with the largest, meanest, most VD-infested cellmate possible.

[bababooey]

[quote=CA renter]

Let’s review how this topic got started: Another poster above (who has never worked directly in public service, and whose consistently clueless remarks shine a bright light on his ignorance) claimed that nepotism is the way most public employees get a government job. That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard about this topic. I was refuting that, and I stand 100% behind what I have stated.
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And here I thought the topic was TPD and trying to get wasted soccer mom’s off the streets at 8:00am.

[CA renter]

[quote=bababooey][quote=CA renter]

Let’s review how this topic got started: Another poster above (who has never worked directly in public service, and whose consistently clueless remarks shine a bright light on his ignorance) claimed that nepotism is the way most public employees get a government job. That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard about this topic. I was refuting that, and I stand 100% behind what I have stated.
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And here I thought the topic was TPD and trying to get wasted soccer mom’s off the streets at 8:00am.[/quote]

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[Aecetia]

Questions from CAR:”Are you suggesting that there is a problem with actual nepotism, and that it is more prevalent in the public sector than in the private sector? Are you suggesting that you’ve seen inferior candidates being hired over more qualified candidates because they had a family member who insisted on hiring them?”

This happens in most agencies both with sworn and civilian employees. Highly placed relatives help their relatives and friends get hired. Sometimes they just bring them aboard as a high ranking official. The unions have no say in these things. Of course they have to be smart enough to pass the battery of tests (unless they are appointed to a position), but Yes, Virginia, nepotism is alive in well in the Sheriff’s Dept., SDPD, etc. Friends of public officials who are arrested get out of jail faster, too because they get red tagged. Wake up and smell the coffee!

“An article about Hays published in a Rancho Bernardo magazine said that he is married with two sons and is the son-in-law of San Diego Police Assistant Chief Mark Jones. The article said he served four years in the Marine Corps before joining the Police Department.”
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/Feb/09/hays-sdpd-update-investigation-lansdowne/

[CA renter]

Once again:

“Are you suggesting that there is a problem with actual nepotism, and that it is more prevalent in the public sector than in the private sector? Are you suggesting that you’ve seen inferior candidates being hired over more qualified candidates because they had a family member who insisted on hiring them?”

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Hays was the SIL of the assistant chief, but it doesn’t mean that he was chosen over more qualified candidates.

I’m not saying that nepotism never happens, just that it is no worse than in the private sector (I would argue that it’s less prevalent in the public sector).

The OP suggested that the only way to get a public sector job was via nepotism. That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Again, I worked in the public sector, my husband works in the public sector, my father did, and countless friends and other family members have worked or do work in the public sector as well. Not ONE of them ever got a job because of nepotism.

The article about Hays doesn’t prove anything regarding nepotism. While I’m sure his FIL gave him some pointers, and perhaps put in a good word for him, that does NOT mean that he was hired over more qualified candidates, and does not prove that there was nepotism. Do you have any knowledge about the other candidates who were under consideration at the time? Were more qualified candidates turned down so that the SIL could be hired, instead?

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I do agree that friends of people in “high places” get special treatment if they find themselves in trouble, though. IMO, that is pure corruption, and I’m 100% opposed to it.

[no_such_reality]

Yesterday’s headline In a matter of seconds, qualified applicants lose out on LAFD jobs

Today’s headline One of five LAFD recruits in training class are related to department firefighters

res ipsa loquitur

[spdrun]

Assuming IT is in on this…

It wouldn’t be overly difficult to set the system up so that applications of the well-connected are more likely to come in on time. If they’re coming in by fax, sever some numbers from the hunt group, create another group, and only give out those numbers to the well-connected. As far as email, not impossible to set up a server or spam prefilter to bounce emails or direct them to spam based on certain keywords in the subject line.

[Aecetia]

[quote=CA renter]Once again:

“Are you suggesting that there is a problem with actual nepotism, and that it is more prevalent in the public sector than in the private sector? Are you suggesting that you’ve seen inferior candidates being hired over more qualified candidates because they had a family member who insisted on hiring them?”

I do agree that friends of people in “high places” get special treatment if they find themselves in trouble, though. IMO, that is pure corruption, and I’m 100% opposed to it.[/quote]

Yes, I am suggesting that inferior candidates have been hired over more qualified candidates because they were friends and relatives. It has happened since the 1970’s in the San Diego Sheriff’s Dept.(at all levels) and usually involves bringing in outsiders rather than hiring from within. The purpose of the civil service system was to get rid of the spoils system. I am glad you can see the corruption, since bringing in “yes” men who agree with you is just as corrupt IMO. Hiring your relatives can also be inappropriate if they do not go through the vetting process.

[CA renter]

Hiring your relatives can also be inappropriate if they do not go through the vetting process.

We are in full agreement on this.

FWIW, I’ve never seen it where I worked, nor where my DH works, etc., but am not familiar with the San Diego Sheriff’s Dept. I have never seen a situation where a family member was hired without having to go through the very same screening processes as everybody else. Again, not saying there aren’t some cases in various departments, just that I haven’t personally seen it nor heard of any stories from the many people I know in public service. Every single person I know who works/has worked in public service got their jobs in the standard way — by passing a number of tests and having the experience and educational qualifications required for the job.

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