OT: Temecula Police “DUI” Checkpoint @ 8AM on a Wed Morning!!!

[jeff303]

Anyone else read about this gem, out of NM?

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml

[spdrun]

In the NM incident, the cops and doctors conspired to commit a capital offense under Federal law. Deprivation of rights under color of law where sex offenses are involved carries the possibility of the death penalty.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

If it came to that, I’d be the first to volunteer to pull the switch, turn on the gas, trip the noose, whatever it takes on those pieces of shit. Every single petty Mengele involved in this incident should also be stripped of their medical licensure.

[paramount]

Remember, Remember the 5th of November:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTk_uQwDFBU

[CA renter]

[quote=jeff303]Anyone else read about this gem, out of NM?

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml%5B/quote%5D

Unbelievable. The problem with suing the public agencies is that taxpayers will have to pay. In this instance, I think that the individual officers and doctors should be sued, and that ALL of their assets, including vested benefits, be used for compensation for the victim. After that, sue the agencies and then throw the bastards in jail where they can get the spdrun treatment (execution).

This is another reason why we need to stop the “War on Drugs.” It’s an easy way to use Probable Cause as an excuse to do just about anything.

While we’re on totally unethical and illegal (IMHO) traffic stops, anyone seen this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/troopers-texas-probe-genitals-women-traffic-stops-article-1.1414668

[spdrun]

I’m not sure if solely stopping the war on drugs will really solve that much as far as gross police misconduct. Sociopaths will always find a way to get their jollies. If it’s not drugs, they’ll “suspect” that the guy has gun parts up his bum, if not gun parts, then smuggled gold.

What we do need is some method of personality testing new hire police so as to weed out the predators and over-zealous do-gooders BEFORE they hurt the public.

This being said, I’m all for ending the “War on Some Drugs”, and moving to a strategy of treating the addicts.

And to be clear, I’m not really a keen supporter of the death penalty, but this story was far, far, beyond the pale of what should EVER happen in a constitutional democracy.

The “rape” was only part of it; they could have killed the man if he was anesthetized and he had an undiagnosed heart defect or an allergy to the drugs.

[CA renter]

[quote=spdrun]I’m not sure if solely stopping the war on drugs will really solve that much as far as gross police misconduct. Sociopaths will always find a way to get their jollies. If it’s not drugs, they’ll “suspect” that the guy has gun parts up his bum, if not gun parts, then smuggled gold.

What we do need is some method of personality testing new hire police so as to weed out the predators and over-zealous do-gooders BEFORE they hurt the public.

This being said, I’m all for ending the “War on Some Drugs”, and moving to a strategy of treating the addicts.

And to be clear, I’m not really a keen supporter of the death penalty, but this story was far, far, beyond the pale of what should EVER happen in a constitutional democracy.

The “rape” was only part of it; they could have killed the man if he was anesthetized and he had an undiagnosed heart defect or an allergy to the drugs.[/quote]

Believe it or not, they really DO try to weed them out beforehand. That’s why BG and I have been talking about the hiring and training involved with public service. They do background checks (including interviewing neighbors, former employers, friends, etc. in many cases), psychological tests (personality and IQ, in many cases), credit checks, etc. During training and probation, they pay attention to the personality traits of the recruits/trainees to further weed them out. What your seeing is the “cream of the crop.”

But I do have to add that Texas (not sure about NM) has moved more and more toward trying to save money on law enforcement…lowering pay and eliminating pensions and other benefits. They are seeing a lot more problems as a result, as one would expect.

[spdrun]

That might be true in California, but it’s certainly not true for all states. About a year ago, there was a sad case in a small city in Virginia. A cop had shot an older lady in her car in a parking lot, then totally lied about the circumstances. (He eventually got a prison sentence.)

He had a history of being a violent drunk (was “allowed” to leave the Marines with an honorable discharge because of that), was in multiple accidents on the job while possibly drunk. He was only hired because his mother was a secretary to the police chief, and despite the better judgement of the psychologist who interviewed him.

Google Daniel Harmon-Wright for some disturbing reading about what is allowed to go on in small-town PDs.

[CA renter]

Here’s the 27-page Personal History Form used by the LAPD. Really look it over to see how far back they go (teenage years), and how many people they interview. They go through your personal finances, all court cases (divorce, BK, civil suits, etc.), and will check to see who you’ve been associating with for pretty much your whole life, what you were like even in high school (school/cumulative records), what hours you keep, etc. It’s VERY thorough, and they verify all of the information.

http://per.lacity.org/psb/phf_interactive.pdf

[spdrun]

That’s fine, but not every department is the LAPD.

[CA renter]

Right, most smaller departments don’t have the resources to do this. That’s what BG and I have been trying to explain WRT the need to attract the best ** and then keep them.** It is incredibly expensive and time consuming to recruit, train, and equip new police/fire personnel. This is why they use DB pensions and other means to keep the personnel after they’ve spent all this money on recruiting, training, and equipping them.

[CA renter]

More interesting developments regarding the TSA and the police state. Haven’t looked into it deeply enough to know the details, but am posting it, nonetheless.

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Owe money to the IRS? Having trouble making your mortgage payments? Ever been sued or been arrested?

Soon, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will know the answers to these questions before you pass through security, and they might affect whether you are cleared for travel.

In a recently published article, the New York Timesreported:

The Transportation Security Administration is expanding its screening of passengers before they arrive at the airport by searching a wide array of government and private databases that can include records like car registrations and employment information.

http://thestateweekly.com/tsa-to-pre-screen-air-travelers-tax-info-property-records-travel-history/

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You’ve got to love it when sheeple claim that this is all “for our protection.”

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter]
That’s why BG and I have been talking about the hiring and training involved with public service. They do background checks (including interviewing neighbors, former employers, friends, etc. in many cases), psychological tests (personality and IQ, in many cases), credit checks, etc. During training and probation, they pay attention to the personality traits of the recruits/trainees to further weed them out. What your seeing is the “cream of the crop.”

But I do have to add that Texas (not sure about NM) has moved more and more toward trying to save money on law enforcement…lowering pay and eliminating pensions and other benefits. They are seeing a lot more problems as a result, as one would expect.[/quote]

I’ve heard there are actually private sector screenings that are even more rigorous.

I think you might be right about Texas lowering pay etc…and getting lower quality cops. I mean the police in California are outstanding.

BTW, does anyone have an update on the Fullerton cops that murdered Kelly Thomas (and charged with murder)?

Oh, and what happened to the cop(s) who shot and killed a man (shot in the back) last year in Anaheim?

Did anyone besides me think that there was probably valid issues raised in Chris Dorner’s manifesto?

It was really sad that LA area cops shot up innocent people during the search for Dorner.

[CA renter]

Paramount,

You should know that I agree with you about how some cops go well beyond reasonable force. Still, those are the “cream of the crop” as far as the candidate pool is concerned. If you doubt it, what do you suggest they do to improve their screening methods?

And those more rigorous “private sector” screenings? Show me one that is more thorough and intrusive…and is not for a government contractor. In every single case that I know of where the “private sector” screening comes anywhere close to this, it’s because they are doing work for the public sector. Yes, when you work for the government (either directly or indirectly), you will likely have to meet higher standards for employment.

[Reality]

[quote=CA renter]Paramount,

You should know that I agree with you about how some cops go well beyond reasonable force. Still, those are the “cream of the crop” as far as the candidate pool is concerned. [/quote]

How do you know they actually hire “the cream of the crop”? Just because they have an extensive screening process how does it follow that those doing the hiring have the brains to get it right? Who screened them?

[CA renter]

Because government agencies are seen as deep pockets by those who want to sue them. This is precisely why the standards for public employment are so high (as high as they can go relative to the hiring agencies’ resources). One of their top priorities is hiring people who are not a liability to the public agency.

Public agencies do NOT want the “cowboys” who are looking for power, adventure and excitement. They very intentionally try to screen them out. Even though they put an incredible amount of effort in this, some of the crazies will still slip through, unfortunately. I hate them every bit as much as you do, if not more.

The people on the hiring committees/H.R. are usually some of the best in the business, especially those who work for large agencies who can more easily afford the best.

[Author]

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