OT: Talk me out of my anti-partisian views.

[Hobie]

Well svit fire and save the matches Wilma you’ve got me there.

[scaredyclassic]

i generally vote Green.

Yes on Pro 19!

[scaredyclassic]

i generally vote Green.

Yes on Pro 19!

[scaredyclassic]

i generally vote Green.

Yes on Pro 19!

[scaredyclassic]

i generally vote Green.

Yes on Pro 19!

[scaredyclassic]

i generally vote Green.

Yes on Pro 19!

[Coronita]

I’m going to write myself in and vote for myself.

[Coronita]

I’m going to write myself in and vote for myself.

[Coronita]

I’m going to write myself in and vote for myself.

[Coronita]

I’m going to write myself in and vote for myself.

[Coronita]

I’m going to write myself in and vote for myself.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood]

Well, since you brought up Clinton, let’s look at the facts.
[/quote]

BigGubment: Yeah, let’s look at the facts, shall we?

Bill Clinton gave us:
– First use of extraordinary rendition of suspected terrorists to black sites around the world, including peace-loving countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, where these “suspected” terrorists could be held without due cause, access to legal counsel or medical aid, and tortured for information,
– Vast expansion of the National Security State, including creation of the NSA’s “Echelon” and “Carnivore” eavesdropping programs (which were used on US citizens, as well as foreign nationals), as well as expansion of FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) further eroding American civil liberties,
– The Iraq Liberation Act (ILA) of 1998, advocating the removal of Saddam Hussein, by force if necessary. The ILA was used to support Clinton’s massive multi-year bombing campaign against Iraq, causing tens of thousands of CIVILIAN casualties (as documented by the UN, World Health Organization and Amnesty Int’l),
– Operation Desert Fox (Iraq), largest sustained US bombing campaign since Operation Rolling Thunder in Vietnam,
– Economic sanctions programs against Iraq resulting in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS (figures are from Unicef and World Health Organization).

Yup, Clinton was a prince, wasn’t he?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood]

Well, since you brought up Clinton, let’s look at the facts.
[/quote]

BigGubment: Yeah, let’s look at the facts, shall we?

Bill Clinton gave us:
– First use of extraordinary rendition of suspected terrorists to black sites around the world, including peace-loving countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, where these “suspected” terrorists could be held without due cause, access to legal counsel or medical aid, and tortured for information,
– Vast expansion of the National Security State, including creation of the NSA’s “Echelon” and “Carnivore” eavesdropping programs (which were used on US citizens, as well as foreign nationals), as well as expansion of FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) further eroding American civil liberties,
– The Iraq Liberation Act (ILA) of 1998, advocating the removal of Saddam Hussein, by force if necessary. The ILA was used to support Clinton’s massive multi-year bombing campaign against Iraq, causing tens of thousands of CIVILIAN casualties (as documented by the UN, World Health Organization and Amnesty Int’l),
– Operation Desert Fox (Iraq), largest sustained US bombing campaign since Operation Rolling Thunder in Vietnam,
– Economic sanctions programs against Iraq resulting in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS (figures are from Unicef and World Health Organization).

Yup, Clinton was a prince, wasn’t he?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood]

Well, since you brought up Clinton, let’s look at the facts.
[/quote]

BigGubment: Yeah, let’s look at the facts, shall we?

Bill Clinton gave us:
– First use of extraordinary rendition of suspected terrorists to black sites around the world, including peace-loving countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, where these “suspected” terrorists could be held without due cause, access to legal counsel or medical aid, and tortured for information,
– Vast expansion of the National Security State, including creation of the NSA’s “Echelon” and “Carnivore” eavesdropping programs (which were used on US citizens, as well as foreign nationals), as well as expansion of FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) further eroding American civil liberties,
– The Iraq Liberation Act (ILA) of 1998, advocating the removal of Saddam Hussein, by force if necessary. The ILA was used to support Clinton’s massive multi-year bombing campaign against Iraq, causing tens of thousands of CIVILIAN casualties (as documented by the UN, World Health Organization and Amnesty Int’l),
– Operation Desert Fox (Iraq), largest sustained US bombing campaign since Operation Rolling Thunder in Vietnam,
– Economic sanctions programs against Iraq resulting in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS (figures are from Unicef and World Health Organization).

Yup, Clinton was a prince, wasn’t he?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood]

Well, since you brought up Clinton, let’s look at the facts.
[/quote]

BigGubment: Yeah, let’s look at the facts, shall we?

Bill Clinton gave us:
– First use of extraordinary rendition of suspected terrorists to black sites around the world, including peace-loving countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, where these “suspected” terrorists could be held without due cause, access to legal counsel or medical aid, and tortured for information,
– Vast expansion of the National Security State, including creation of the NSA’s “Echelon” and “Carnivore” eavesdropping programs (which were used on US citizens, as well as foreign nationals), as well as expansion of FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) further eroding American civil liberties,
– The Iraq Liberation Act (ILA) of 1998, advocating the removal of Saddam Hussein, by force if necessary. The ILA was used to support Clinton’s massive multi-year bombing campaign against Iraq, causing tens of thousands of CIVILIAN casualties (as documented by the UN, World Health Organization and Amnesty Int’l),
– Operation Desert Fox (Iraq), largest sustained US bombing campaign since Operation Rolling Thunder in Vietnam,
– Economic sanctions programs against Iraq resulting in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS (figures are from Unicef and World Health Organization).

Yup, Clinton was a prince, wasn’t he?

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