OT: Talk me out of my anti-partisian views.

[Anonymous]

[quote]guys like Rove are selling the idea of a return to 1950s America[/quote]

This pretty-much sums it up.

Not exactly 1950s America, but the America portrayed in the 1950/60s by television and cinema at the time.

Because that’s what they remember.

Who would have guessed that “Father Knows Best” and “Andy Griffith” would have doomed us all?

[aldante]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=aldante]
Dr. Paul has run as a third party candidate before and as such probably has a unique experience. …snip… He says that the most pragmatic approach should be to change the parties from within. [/quote]

Aldante,

I have always admired Dr Paul, if nothing else because of the honesty of his convictions. I often differ with him about things but at least he’s honestly trying to find solutions, and not just mouthing a bunch of meaningless platitudes like so many politicians.

But, I’m afraid that I’ve lost most of my belief that someone like myself can make any difference to the Dems or Repubs. Maybe if I was willing to commit lots of time to be actively involved with a party I could influence a few local issues slightly. But on the grander scale, I’m afraid I don’t see it. (Of course on the grand scale voting for third parties isn’t likely to change anything either.)

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Xboy,
Well I have a full time job and have tried to make it to the Republican Central Committee meetings (which are held every month) but have been unable to. Look around though. The Repubican incumbants in many states for congress and the senate have been “taken down” by exactly the forces that I am talking about.
While I want to chase windmills and make a grand differnce the best I can do is discuss these issues with my friends. My facebook page has links to campaignforliberty.com and tomwoods.com….I have been educating myself so when people confront me on my stance it is an opportunity for learning and growth rather then infighting. Bottom Line is that we can make a difference! Not on the scale that I would like. Truth is never wasted and I am simply tired of the lies that have been “aired” as truth for years.

[aldante]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=aldante]
Dr. Paul has run as a third party candidate before and as such probably has a unique experience. …snip… He says that the most pragmatic approach should be to change the parties from within. [/quote]

Aldante,

I have always admired Dr Paul, if nothing else because of the honesty of his convictions. I often differ with him about things but at least he’s honestly trying to find solutions, and not just mouthing a bunch of meaningless platitudes like so many politicians.

But, I’m afraid that I’ve lost most of my belief that someone like myself can make any difference to the Dems or Repubs. Maybe if I was willing to commit lots of time to be actively involved with a party I could influence a few local issues slightly. But on the grander scale, I’m afraid I don’t see it. (Of course on the grand scale voting for third parties isn’t likely to change anything either.)

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Xboy,
Well I have a full time job and have tried to make it to the Republican Central Committee meetings (which are held every month) but have been unable to. Look around though. The Repubican incumbants in many states for congress and the senate have been “taken down” by exactly the forces that I am talking about.
While I want to chase windmills and make a grand differnce the best I can do is discuss these issues with my friends. My facebook page has links to campaignforliberty.com and tomwoods.com….I have been educating myself so when people confront me on my stance it is an opportunity for learning and growth rather then infighting. Bottom Line is that we can make a difference! Not on the scale that I would like. Truth is never wasted and I am simply tired of the lies that have been “aired” as truth for years.

[aldante]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=aldante]
Dr. Paul has run as a third party candidate before and as such probably has a unique experience. …snip… He says that the most pragmatic approach should be to change the parties from within. [/quote]

Aldante,

I have always admired Dr Paul, if nothing else because of the honesty of his convictions. I often differ with him about things but at least he’s honestly trying to find solutions, and not just mouthing a bunch of meaningless platitudes like so many politicians.

But, I’m afraid that I’ve lost most of my belief that someone like myself can make any difference to the Dems or Repubs. Maybe if I was willing to commit lots of time to be actively involved with a party I could influence a few local issues slightly. But on the grander scale, I’m afraid I don’t see it. (Of course on the grand scale voting for third parties isn’t likely to change anything either.)

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Xboy,
Well I have a full time job and have tried to make it to the Republican Central Committee meetings (which are held every month) but have been unable to. Look around though. The Repubican incumbants in many states for congress and the senate have been “taken down” by exactly the forces that I am talking about.
While I want to chase windmills and make a grand differnce the best I can do is discuss these issues with my friends. My facebook page has links to campaignforliberty.com and tomwoods.com….I have been educating myself so when people confront me on my stance it is an opportunity for learning and growth rather then infighting. Bottom Line is that we can make a difference! Not on the scale that I would like. Truth is never wasted and I am simply tired of the lies that have been “aired” as truth for years.

[aldante]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=aldante]
Dr. Paul has run as a third party candidate before and as such probably has a unique experience. …snip… He says that the most pragmatic approach should be to change the parties from within. [/quote]

Aldante,

I have always admired Dr Paul, if nothing else because of the honesty of his convictions. I often differ with him about things but at least he’s honestly trying to find solutions, and not just mouthing a bunch of meaningless platitudes like so many politicians.

But, I’m afraid that I’ve lost most of my belief that someone like myself can make any difference to the Dems or Repubs. Maybe if I was willing to commit lots of time to be actively involved with a party I could influence a few local issues slightly. But on the grander scale, I’m afraid I don’t see it. (Of course on the grand scale voting for third parties isn’t likely to change anything either.)

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Xboy,
Well I have a full time job and have tried to make it to the Republican Central Committee meetings (which are held every month) but have been unable to. Look around though. The Repubican incumbants in many states for congress and the senate have been “taken down” by exactly the forces that I am talking about.
While I want to chase windmills and make a grand differnce the best I can do is discuss these issues with my friends. My facebook page has links to campaignforliberty.com and tomwoods.com….I have been educating myself so when people confront me on my stance it is an opportunity for learning and growth rather then infighting. Bottom Line is that we can make a difference! Not on the scale that I would like. Truth is never wasted and I am simply tired of the lies that have been “aired” as truth for years.

[aldante]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=aldante]
Dr. Paul has run as a third party candidate before and as such probably has a unique experience. …snip… He says that the most pragmatic approach should be to change the parties from within. [/quote]

Aldante,

I have always admired Dr Paul, if nothing else because of the honesty of his convictions. I often differ with him about things but at least he’s honestly trying to find solutions, and not just mouthing a bunch of meaningless platitudes like so many politicians.

But, I’m afraid that I’ve lost most of my belief that someone like myself can make any difference to the Dems or Repubs. Maybe if I was willing to commit lots of time to be actively involved with a party I could influence a few local issues slightly. But on the grander scale, I’m afraid I don’t see it. (Of course on the grand scale voting for third parties isn’t likely to change anything either.)

XBoxBoy[/quote]

Xboy,
Well I have a full time job and have tried to make it to the Republican Central Committee meetings (which are held every month) but have been unable to. Look around though. The Repubican incumbants in many states for congress and the senate have been “taken down” by exactly the forces that I am talking about.
While I want to chase windmills and make a grand differnce the best I can do is discuss these issues with my friends. My facebook page has links to campaignforliberty.com and tomwoods.com….I have been educating myself so when people confront me on my stance it is an opportunity for learning and growth rather then infighting. Bottom Line is that we can make a difference! Not on the scale that I would like. Truth is never wasted and I am simply tired of the lies that have been “aired” as truth for years.

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

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