OT: red light camera ticket for right turn and 0.1 secs

[ocrenter]

wife got a citation in Poway for the same right turn on red. total including traffic school would have been $535.

went with Mr Ticket for $100, they took care of everything and the ticket just got dismissed.

seriously, had city of Poway not been so greedy, we would have probably just paid for the tix + traffic school.

another STRONG recommendation for Mr. Ticket!

[Coronita]

[quote=ocrenter]wife got a citation in Poway for the same right turn on red. total including traffic school would have been $535.

went with Mr Ticket for $100, they took care of everything and the ticket just got dismissed.

seriously, had city of Poway not been so greedy, we would have probably just paid for the tix + traffic school.

another STRONG recommendation for Mr. Ticket![/quote]

wow. This is just absurd. $535 is what probably half month rent for a lot of people… I mean you probably can afford this ticket, and so can I…I can’t imagine someone on minimum wage getting one of these….

Seriously, doesn’t it strike anyone that this is absurd? wow. state really needs money. $535 fine for a red light, which in itself is questionable tactic to ticket someone this way..

You know. It’s just wrong to assign a financial penalty to traffic offenses. If they were really interested in preventing this from happening, they would assign something like picking up trash for 100 hrs, in which it doesn’t matter if you could cough up the $500 or so….

[Reality]

[quote=flu]

wow. This is just absurd. $535 is what probably half month rent for a lot of people… I mean you probably can afford this ticket, and so can I…I can’t imagine someone on minimum wage getting one of these….

Seriously, doesn’t it strike anyone that this is absurd? wow. state really needs money. $535 fine for a red light, which in itself is questionable tactic to ticket someone this way..

You know. It’s just wrong to assign a financial penalty to traffic offenses. If they were really interested in preventing this from happening, they would assign something like picking up trash for 100 hrs, in which it doesn’t matter if you could cough up the $500 or so….[/quote]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.

[ocrenter]

[quote=JohnAlt91941]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.[/quote]

the red just came on as she slowed but not stopped for the right turn. it was perfectly safe.

this is just a way for the city to make money.

like I said, would have just paid it if it was lower.

[Reality]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=JohnAlt91941]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.[/quote]

the red just came on as she slowed but not stopped for the right turn. it was perfectly safe.

this is just a way for the city to make money.

like I said, would have just paid it if it was lower.[/quote]

I wasn’t responding to the original situation that I now see was about a year ago.

In general running red lights is dangerous. $500 doesn’t seem steep at all for most occurrences.

[EconProf]

The same offense will cost about $100 in most states. But this is CA, and I believe the fines are set in Sacramento by our dear leaders. The ones who claim to want to help the poor and downtrodden. This kind of fine costs a minimum wage worker about seven days’ labor.

[Coronita]

[quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=flu]

wow. This is just absurd. $535 is what probably half month rent for a lot of people… I mean you probably can afford this ticket, and so can I…I can’t imagine someone on minimum wage getting one of these….

Seriously, doesn’t it strike anyone that this is absurd? wow. state really needs money. $535 fine for a red light, which in itself is questionable tactic to ticket someone this way..

You know. It’s just wrong to assign a financial penalty to traffic offenses. If they were really interested in preventing this from happening, they would assign something like picking up trash for 100 hrs, in which it doesn’t matter if you could cough up the $500 or so….[/quote]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.[/quote]

That’s bullshit… The red light camera can be off…way off. I’ve seen the ones in Carmel Valley in Del Mar Heights go off on the wrong time. Also, IF your car is at the shop and your mechanic blows through a red light, guess who ends up getting the ticket in the mail and who has the burden to prove it’s not you???

[Coronita]

[quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=ocrenter][quote=JohnAlt91941]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.[/quote]

the red just came on as she slowed but not stopped for the right turn. it was perfectly safe.

this is just a way for the city to make money.

like I said, would have just paid it if it was lower.[/quote]

I wasn’t responding to the original situation that I now see was about a year ago.

In general running red lights is dangerous. $500 doesn’t seem steep at all for most occurrences.[/quote]

I was specifically referring to the camera red light enforcement… And it’s also B.S. that says driving is a privilege in CA…It’s not that there is public transportation here.

[Reality]

[quote=flu]
That’s bullshit… The red light camera can be off…way off. I’ve seen the ones in Carmel Valley in Del Mar Heights go off on the wrong time. Also, IF your car is at the shop and your mechanic blows through a red light, guess who ends up getting the ticket in the mail and who has the burden to prove it’s not you???[/quote]

I’m referring to the fine vs the offense, assuming there is an offense. The fact that in some cases the cameras don’t function properly doesn’t make the fine too high for the offense. The enforcement procedure is a different issue to me.

As far as a mechanic running a red light with your car, you could also loan your car to someone who commits hit and run and a bystander happens to get the license plate number. Wouldn’t you agree the cops should at least start by knocking on your door? What’s the difference?

[CA renter]

Some reasonable changes likely coming WRT red-light cameras:

“(h) (1) A contract between a governmental agency and a manufacturer or supplier of automated traffic enforcement equipment shall not include provision for the payment or compensation to the manufacturer or supplier based on the number of citations generated, or as a percentage of the revenue generated, as a result of the use of the equipment authorized under this section.

(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply to a contract that was entered into by a governmental agency and a manufacturer or supplier of automated traffic enforcement equipment before January 1, 2004, unless that contract is renewed, extended, or amended on or after January 1, 2004.

(3) A governmental agency that proposes to install or operate an automated traffic enforcement system shall not consider revenue generation, beyond recovering its actual costs of operating the system, as a factor when considering whether or not to install or operate a system within its local jurisdiction.”

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120SB1303
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Don’t know if this will cause the fine to be reduced, but it ought to.

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edit: Uh-oh. It appears to be more complicated than one would think. This new bill might actually be a way for **for-profit** camera companies and govt agencies to eliminate one of the methods used by citizens to get out of the tickets…by ignoring “snitch tickets” which ask the vehicle owner to positively identify the driver if the driver cannot be clearly identified in the picture/video.

As usual, there are lobbyists involved…

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3829.asp

[mike92104]

I think it’s time for a petition to ban them all together within the county. Perhaps one that bans any sort of automated law enforcement system to also include speed cameras.

Re: The safety “increase” from the cameras:

http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents

[ocrenter]

[quote=mike92104]I think it’s time for a petition to ban them all together within the county. Perhaps one that bans any sort of automated law enforcement system to also include speed cameras.

Re: The safety “increase” from the cameras:

http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents%5B/quote%5D

I personally find myself slamming on the break when approaching yellow, flooring the gas in the middle of the intersection, and slowing down on approach because the green seem to be overdue for a change to red. one second too late and you are looking at a $500 bill.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=flu][quote=JohnAlt91941][quote=flu]

wow. This is just absurd. $535 is what probably half month rent for a lot of people… I mean you probably can afford this ticket, and so can I…I can’t imagine someone on minimum wage getting one of these….

Seriously, doesn’t it strike anyone that this is absurd? wow. state really needs money. $535 fine for a red light, which in itself is questionable tactic to ticket someone this way..

You know. It’s just wrong to assign a financial penalty to traffic offenses. If they were really interested in preventing this from happening, they would assign something like picking up trash for 100 hrs, in which it doesn’t matter if you could cough up the $500 or so….[/quote]

Driving is actually a privilege or hadn’t you heard?

I think $500 is getting off easy for running a red light. People get killed that way.[/quote]

That’s bullshit… The red light camera can be off…way off. I’ve seen the ones in Carmel Valley in Del Mar Heights go off on the wrong time. Also, IF your car is at the shop and your mechanic blows through a red light, guess who ends up getting the ticket in the mail and who has the burden to prove it’s not you???[/quote]

Bullshit right back at you.
The lights are not going off the wrong time, they are being calibrated at specific times. Just because a light went off does not necessarily mean that somebody is going to get a ticket.
And by the way, the camera clearly identifies both the vehicle and the driver. Have you ever seen one of those tickets?

As for the specific intersection you are talking about, it is notorious with folks wanting to breeze through the red lights. Forget a $500 fine, I’d rather have death penalty for those who hurt somebody on that intersection. I almost got run over many times at that spot.

Typical carmel valley idiots, they want rules for others but cannot be bothered with little things like traffic rules themselves.
If you see a fellow walking across that intersection with his middle finger held high and gesturing to the drivers, you have just seen the dumbrenter.

And an overwhelming number of those that intend to kill me at that intersection are either asian or female (or both). I can understand the ladies wanting a piece of me, but what have I ever done to the other group?

So slow the fk down at that intersection people. Where ever you plan to go and no matter how late you are to pick up your brat, it is not worth killing another human over. That red light is not a friendly suggestion. It is the law that requires you to stop so that a fellow like me can walk my ass to safety.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=flu] And it’s also B.S. that says driving is a privilege in CA…It’s not that there is public transportation here.[/quote]

Driving IS a privilege irrespective of public transportation. You can always walk. Maybe you will change your mind regarding assholes running red lights in that case. Or maybe not; especially if you are not nimble enough to dodge them.

[spdrun]

To give a comparison, fine is $50 in NYC, no points. Enough to deter people from deliberately running lights, yet not so much as to cause serious hardship if someone is falsely accused.

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