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April 8, 2016 at 8:44 PM #796568April 8, 2016 at 8:52 PM #796569
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Drugs and alcohol have a way of screwing with people:
Ex-Navy SEAL who says he killed bin Laden charged with DUI
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-navy-seal-who-says-he-killed-bin-laden-charged-with-dui/ar-BBrwAYp?ocid=spartanntp
[/quote]We need to cut this man a break here. He wasn’t on the road when he was arrested and this was likely his first offense cuz he bailed out on only a $685 cash bond.It’s very likely that he is suffering from PTSD and the smallish town he lives in likely offers little to no Veteran’s services. We need to better take care of our heros like him. He’ll go thru the “First Conviction Program” (or whatever they call it in MT) and hopefully get some (badly needed) help for himself.
April 8, 2016 at 9:06 PM #796571spdrun
ParticipantI just like the taste of coffee but for some reason I do not like the taste of decalf. So the “caffeine” must give coffee a certain taste.
Decaf uses some pretty vile solvents to extract the caffeine. Methylene chloride (aka paint stripper) comes to mind. Maybe you’re tasting the toxic residue in the decaf.
April 8, 2016 at 9:09 PM #796572Participant[quote=spdrun]
I just like the taste of coffee but for some reason I do not like the taste of decalf. So the “caffeine” must give coffee a certain taste.
Decaf uses some pretty vile solvents to extract the caffeine. Methylene chloride (aka paint stripper) comes to mind. Maybe you’re tasting the toxic residue in the decaf.[/quote]Oh, believe me, the only “decaf” I’ve ever tried was “Taster’s Choice” instant coffee back in the day. It was terrible. Instant coffee also probably had a lot of chemicals in it but I did drink it when I was in college cuz I didn’t have a coffeepot at home.
April 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM #796578FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi]Drugs and alcohol have a way of screwing with people:
Ex-Navy SEAL who says he killed bin Laden charged with DUI
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-navy-seal-who-says-he-killed-bin-laden-charged-with-dui/ar-BBrwAYp?ocid=spartanntp
[/quote]We need to cut this man a break here. He wasn’t on the road when he was arrested and this was likely his first offense cuz he bailed out on only a $685 cash bond.It’s very likely that he is suffering from PTSD and the smallish town he lives in likely offers little to no Veteran’s services. We need to better take care of our heros like him. He’ll go thru the “First Conviction Program” (or whatever they call it in MT) and hopefully get some (badly needed) help for himself.[/quote]
I don’t know… Seals are supposed to be the toughest of the tough. They are trained to resist questioning and have psychologies of steel. He’s conservative, a Fox News contributor, and a motivational speaker, so not the average service member. He’s not poor and stuck in a small town. He flies around the world and doors open for him.
Maybe he could have exercised some personal responsibility and said no.
http://www.leadingauthorities.com/speakers/robert-oneill.html
April 9, 2016 at 10:49 AM #796579scaredyclassic
ParticipantSounds like a pretty good case for the SEAL.
No alcohol test.
No driving.
Sleeping in parked car.
National hero.April 9, 2016 at 11:57 AM #796580Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Sounds like a pretty good case for the SEAL.
No alcohol test.
No driving.
Sleeping in parked car.
National hero.[/quote]I would agree with you, scaredy. Except I’ve seen these “sleeping the car” DUI defenses go south if the vehicle’s motor was running and/or the hood was hot and there was only ONE person in the vehicle … as was the case here.
I don’t blame him for refusing to submit to a sobriety test. In doing so, they booked him in jail and he bailed out and it can all be sorted out later.
His defense hinges on how long the convenience store clerk says he spent out there sleeping. The longer, the better for him, methinks.
I still think he can hire the very best defense lawyer in the state and “get this taken care of as quietly as possible” without ever setting foot in a courtroom, since it is a “first conviction” matter. And that’s probably what he’ll do. He’ll have letters of commendation up the wazoo in sheet protectors in a thick binder for the court’s perusal. I predict it will be dismissed but not after possibly another hefty fine of maybe ~$1200 for the “Alcohol Education and Rehabilitation Fund” in MT (or something like that).
April 9, 2016 at 12:27 PM #796582GuestSo, BG, families should tell their people “never submit to a sobriety test and spend the night in jail, mommy and daddy will sort it out in the morning”?
April 9, 2016 at 12:28 PM #796581ParticipantUnless he was actually caught DRIVING, he shouldn’t be charged for DUI or fined. Even if the motor was running (who knows, he might not have wanted to freeze to death).
Charging people who sleep in their cars is just dirty ball. Yeah, not doing so might cause a few drunks to get away, but I’d rather err on the side of letting the guilty walk than causing trouble for the innocent.
Best outcome here would be a jury trial and full-on nullification.
As an aside: let’s say one does need to sleep it off in the car. Would cutting the ignition leads be enough to make the car legally inoperable? Assuming no auto part stores are open till the next morning.
April 9, 2016 at 12:30 PM #796583ParticipantSubmit to a breath test, ask for a blood test in a hospital.
(a) it makes more trouble for them
(b) it’s more accurate than a breath testBetter yet, don’t drive drunk.
April 9, 2016 at 12:52 PM #796584Guest[quote=bearishgurl]
I just like the taste of coffee but for some reason I do not like the taste of decalf. So the “caffeine” must give coffee a certain taste. I prefer dark roast coffee and always buy that kind. I ground my own beans for years but in recent years have bought it already ground. I just love it and sometimes drink it at night, as well. It doesn’t affect my sleep patterns.[/quote]
This is what 23andme says about caffeine.
CYP1A2
Caffeine is the most widely consumed drug in the world. The amount of caffeine you consume — whether it’s from coffee, tea, or soft drinks — may be influenced by your genes. The average 23andMe customer who drinks caffeinated beverages consumes about 265 mg of caffeine per day. This is equivalent to more than two cups of coffee.I drink maybe 1 cup of coffee per week.
Do you drink coffee with sugar? They can predict if you’re likely to taste bitter compounds. I can taste bitterness and I like it.
My muscle composition gene says “likely sprinter”. I would hate for it to say “couch potato”.
I’m interested to know what my genes say. So far, nothing bad. I’m going to ask my relatives to participate to see if 23andme can automatically match relatives.
April 9, 2016 at 2:00 PM #796587Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]. . . Do you drink coffee with sugar? . . . [/quote]No sugar. Just black or with a little 2% milk. The brands of dark roast I buy (Starbucks, Peet’s and Seattle’s Best) are all very good coffee … not bitter in any way, shape or form.
April 9, 2016 at 2:25 PM #796588Participant[quote=spdrun]Unless he was actually caught DRIVING, he shouldn’t be charged for DUI or fined. Even if the motor was running (who knows, he might not have wanted to freeze to death).[/quote]spd, my experience has been in SD and so I didn’t think of this angle but if the outside temp was in the 30’s or below that night and he didn’t have any heavy jackets or blankets with him, then I can see this as a defense for sleeping with the engine running.
Maybe we should keep this thread in mind to come back to later while this case is followed. Should be interesting and not take too long, since it is a misd … that is, unless his defense counsel keeps continuing his court date. Sometimes they do this while their client attends a MADD meeting, an obligatory 2 AA mtgs and/or the FCP classes in order to look extra responsible before the court with certificates of attendance and completion and have the case dismissed outright. This is only IF the atty thought there was any chance at all of their client being sentenced for DUI. We’ll see what happens here.
It’s still often worth it in CA to go this route if you can afford it, even paying an atty and attending all required “first conviction” mtgs as a “peremptory” measure before making a deal with the prosecutor in order to secure a lesser “wet reckless” conviction or even get it dismissed (if they were not actually driving when arrested). Depending on the value of their vehicle and any points the defendant already had on his/her driving record, they typically save several thousand ($3-8K) on auto insurance premiums over the next 3 years and avoid an SR-22 filing by not having a DUI conviction.
No trial is needed. It’s not that common to have a trial for DUI but does happen on occasion. Not typically with first offenders, though. A trial is often sought by repeat offenders who have a LOT to lose, such as their freedom … ESP if they weren’t driving at the time of arrest, like this young man.
April 9, 2016 at 2:47 PM #796589Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]So, BG, families should tell their people “never submit to a sobriety test and spend the night in jail, mommy and daddy will sort it out in the morning”?[/quote]Well, my kid(s) don’t drink and drive. They do like to visit craft beer bars but there is a lot of cheap public transportation in SF and they know how to use all of it at all hours of the day and night.
If my kids were to be detained in MX or elsewhere out of the country, I have counseled them to say nothing except ask to make a phone call and call me ASAP so I can call the American consulate in that country and send help or even accompany that help (MX). Yeah, if that means spending the night in jail, so be it. I don’t think they have “Miranda warnings” in MX or elsewhere in the world :=0
It’s not a good idea to talk to law enforcement unless you are simply a witness and not suspected of breaking the law. I have told them that if they are brought in as a suspect for questioning, to refuse, demand counsel and allow themselves to be booked, instead.
I copied all my kids’ fancy new travel documents in living color last year when they came to visit specifically for the above reasons (and if they should land in the hospital in a foreign country).
April 9, 2016 at 3:57 PM #796590Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi]So, BG, families should tell their people “never submit to a sobriety test and spend the night in jail, mommy and daddy will sort it out in the morning”?[/quote]Well, my kid(s) don’t drink and drive. They do like to visit craft beer bars but there is a lot of cheap public transportation in SF and they know how to use all of it at all hours of the day and night.
If my kids were to be detained in MX or elsewhere out of the country, I have counseled them to say nothing except ask to make a phone call and call me ASAP so I can call the American consulate in that country and send help or even accompany that help (MX). Yeah, if that means spending the night in jail, so be it. I don’t think they have “Miranda warnings” in MX or elsewhere in the world :=0
It’s not a good idea to talk to law enforcement unless you are simply a witness and not suspected of breaking the law. I have told them that if they are brought in as a suspect for questioning, to refuse, demand counsel and allow themselves to be booked, instead.
I copied all my kids’ fancy new travel documents in living color last year when they came to visit specifically for the above reasons (and if they should land in the hospital in a foreign country).[/quote
Do not talk to the police.
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