OT – just say no

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic]just for me, pooping > peeing[/quote]The duodenum is typically the second organ to be blocked with panc. The temporary “work around” for this is so ugly, I won’t even mention it here. The reason it is “temporary” is because you’ll you mostly bedridden and on so many opioids by then, that you won’t care anymore :=0

[scaredyclassic]

true. thats why we must live by the spirit of this 17th c. poem (substituting of course, dumps for rosebuds)..

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying;
And this same flower that smiles today
To-morrow will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he’s a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he’s to setting.
That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time,
And, while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may forever tarry.

todays dump was awesome but who knows what tomorrow brings…

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, you are in a position to see first hand the journey people take after opioid addiction (legal or illegal) sets in. It’s all predictable and it’s so hard to talk them into checking into detox/rehab. If it was prescribed by their doctor, then it is somehow must be okay. After all, their doctor knows what he/she is doing, right?

That is, if they haven’t been “doctor shopping” to get opioid prescriptions from more than one doctor. I think this would be harder to do with the advent of the ACA and the “big insurance computer in the sky.” At least if they were using their insurance to pay for these prescriptions and not paying cash.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I noticed that the “protanogist” in the Movantik commercial was pouring straight sugar on his coffee at the breakfast counter … and he was apparently just starting his day! I believe that a diet of excessive sugar (as well as excessive starch-turned-to-sugar) is the root of so many evils including the root cause of and cause of rapid spread of several gastrointestinal cancers. You can tell me I am talking out my a$$ and I will tell you to fuel your own “sugar addiction” at your peril :=0[/quote]

I may be “talking out of my ass”, but I have a theory that will eventually be proven by science. The refined sugars and starches that children consume (like breakfast cereal) are making them prone to addiction later in life. (That can probably be proven by experiments on rats).

Of course, only a percentage (maybe 40%) of genetically unlucky people are more prone to addiction (but as cavemen, they would probably have a competitive advantage, and more drive to seek out food and survive). We can observe that in the percentage of our population that is obese and food/substance addicted.

I’m lucky that, in my family, we cooked from scratch, instead of consuming Big Food. Big Food continues to blanket the airwaves with commercials telling us that buying name brands is a sign of caring for your family.

Data show that Hispanics are healthy now, but they will be the next victims to big food. As new immigrants, parents are buying into the lifestyles sold in TV commercials.

Big Pharma and Big Food are in it together (not an evil conspiracy, but an all so convenient convergence of financial interests) to keep up hooked. Health insurance companies are complicit too because they can just raise premiums and pass on the costs to us. The more we need them, the more profits they pocket.

[moneymaker]

Don’t know if I know any drugs addicts that work a full time job, I suspect the only ones that do successfully are drug dealers, until they are caught. I personally think most doctors are legalized drug dealers so I try to steer clear of them. ” Take the bitter herb, it is restorative”.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=moneymaker]Don’t know if I know any drugs addicts that work a full time job, I suspect the only ones that do successfully are drug dealers, until they are caught. [/quote]

It depends on the job. It’s harder to do in a 8-9 job.
But some people are very good at being functional for a certain period of time. Then they go home and get high.

For example, if you only work 3 days a week, then it’s very easy to be functional for 3 days only (many jobs are on call and not 8-5, 5 days a week).

A lot of addicts are not hard core, but they will get high and happy, on alcohol, marijuana or other recreational drugs. They remain functional and they deteriorate over time, years, decades…. Then one day, they get knee surgery or something like that. They get prescribed strong opioids…..

My friend, the addict, takes pride in being able to stay up for 24 hours, or whatever… He brags about it and how well he performs his job. Amped up on coffee.
Then he will become sooooo tired, drink til he passes out and remain in a funk for days at time. Then one day, he would perk up, go spend 1/2 day at the gym. Of course, he feels soooo tired after, then go home to indulge again.

Diet deteriorates over time, obesity and pain set in. I would be weary of people who complain about pain.

It’s really sickening to observe, even from afar.

[quote=moneymaker] I personally think most doctors are legalized drug dealers so I try to steer clear of them. ” Take the bitter herb, it is restorative”.[/quote]

You’re smart.
Avoid any medication that mask symptoms and assuage pain but don’t cure anything.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . I’m lucky that, in my family, we cooked from scratch, instead of consuming Big Food. Big Food continues to blanket the airwaves with commercials telling us that buying name brands is a sign of caring for your family.[/quote]We did, too, but it was primarily due to the culture of my parents and for economic reasons. We even grew some of our own vegetables. In addition, there wasn’t anywhere near the selection of “Big Food” when I was growing up as there is today. I could count on my two hands the times I had a bottle or can of soda growing up. It was always when I was at a large family picnic and there was a separate ice chest of fruit-flavored soda and root beer for the kids. I didn’t even try (Diet) Pepsi, Tab or Dr Pepper until after I graduated from HS. We never had soda around the house and my schools were not allowed to sell it. As an adult, I took cans of Diet Pepsi to work to save $$ from buying it in a machine. I NEVER, EVER drank soda with sugar in it and NEVER bought it for my kids. To this day, none of them drink it.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=moneymaker]Don’t know if I know any drugs addicts that work a full time job, I suspect the only ones that do successfully are drug dealers, until they are caught. . .[/quote]You would be surprised, MM. Some addicts can pick up their work clothes at the cleaners and shirt laundry weekly and arrive to work mostly “on-time” and looking good. This can go on for years as long as they are “functional” and don’t have any physical or emotional setbacks which cause them to double up on their “pain” meds for a “crutch.” They are careful to keep their (pill) habit hidden from public view and not use as much while at work. It’s the binging weekends and vacations that often cause this group not to come back into work on Monday or the agreed upon date. And people who have been on the job with the same employer for years … even decades can likely perform their duties with their eyes closed or even a little bit high without being suspected. The telltale signs would be falling asleep at their desk or disappearing with no explanation in the middle of the biz day or calling in “sick” frequently with various lame excuses. These people are insidiously sliding into an abyss that they will never be able to climb out of without lengthy one-on-one professional help. Meanwhile, some of their physical function that you and I take for granted is slipping away from them, little by little. If you notice this and try to talk to them about it, they’ll claim the reason is because of something OTHER than their pain med, perhaps a side effect of another (non-narcotic or SSRI) med they’re taking and they can’t stop taking that or this will happen, blah, blah.

This whole downhill course is much shorter for the addict who is able to procure and sustain a 8-12 pill per day habit. This group usually becomes too disabled to hold down a job within a matter of weeks/months (as opposed to the employed addict who just binges 1 – 2 times per month or several times per year).

[bearishgurl]

Interesting videos on this link related to opioid addiction:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prescription-painkillers-record-number-americans-pain-medication/story?id=13421828

I knew heredity played a role in alcoholism but wasn’t aware it did in opioid addiction.

[Doofrat]

I really think addiction is a spectrum everybody’s on. Some people are really susceptible to chasing altered states and some people are not. Some people may be somewhere in the middle, but they turn to drugs to make up for a bad environment. I don’t think it’s so much weak will.
As an example, I’m pretty slim and don’t eat a lot. There’s an allergy medication I’ll sometimes have to take (Zyrtec). When I take it I get what I call the Zyrtec munchies and I can’t stop eating. Food tastes incredible and I can’t get enough of it. I’d guess some obese people’s brain chemistry is always in that state and I don’t think I’d have the will to not eat if I was always like that.
I’d guess that a lot of addicts are just wired similarly, but with a craving for opioids, alcohol, meth, or whatever their chemistry slants them to.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=doofrat]I really think addiction is a spectrum everybody’s on. Some people are really susceptible to chasing altered states and some people are not. Some people may be somewhere in the middle, but they turn to drugs to make up for a bad environment. I don’t think it’s so much weak will.
As an example, I’m pretty slim and don’t eat a lot. There’s an allergy medication I’ll sometimes have to take (Zyrtec). When I take it I get what I call the Zyrtec munchies and I can’t stop eating. Food tastes incredible and I can’t get enough of it. I’d guess some obese people’s brain chemistry is always in that state and I don’t think I’d have the will to not eat if I was always like that.
I’d guess that a lot of addicts are just wired similarly, but with a craving for opioids, alcohol, meth, or whatever their chemistry slants them to.[/quote]

I mostly agree with this.

But i would add that our brain chemistry is altered by our food and medication beginning with the day we are born.

I meet a lot of foreigners and they are mostly thin, and don’t crave the food that we crave. Combine addiction with culture and you can get a recipe for disaster.

If i recall, a recent AARP study shows that 35% of Americans over 45 are lonely. Our culture is lonely and isolating and we fill it with consumption (compared with other cultures, we don’t have a lot impromptu meetings and serendipitous collisions, or extended families).

Don’t get me wrong; overall, I believe that our system provides the best opportunities for wealth and well being. But there’s a price to pay for everything. A large portion of our population is paying the price.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]Interesting videos on this link related to opioid addiction:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prescription-painkillers-record-number-americans-pain-medication/story?id=13421828

I knew heredity played a role in alcoholism but wasn’t aware it did in opioid addiction.[/quote]

yeah, but we shouldn’t enable the susceptible.

Why do we have pain? Because we are obese. And in young people, we stress one time sport performance over long term health and endurance.

Plus, I believe that the easy availability of over the counter pills is enabling us to prescription strength later on.

When I go to Costco and see people buy monster bottles of OTC pain medication, I’m like…. “there goes another life”. I would not need that much in my own lifetime!!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bearishgurl]Interesting videos on this link related to opioid addiction:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prescription-painkillers-record-number-americans-pain-medication/story?id=13421828

I knew heredity played a role in alcoholism but wasn’t aware it did in opioid addiction.[/quote]

yeah, but we shouldn’t enable the susceptible.

Why do we have pain? Because we are obese. And in young people, we stress one time sport performance over long term health and endurance.

Plus, I believe that the easy availability of over the counter pills is enabling us to prescription strength later on.

When I go to Costco and see people buy monster bottles of OTC pain medication, I’m like…. “there goes another life”. I would not need that much in my own lifetime!![/quote]Overuse of ibuprofen can lead to liver damage. Not sure how much per day/week constitutes “overuse” but I am careful. I DO need to use it but not regularly. Only after sessions at the gym where I have increased my weights.

I don’t believe that the use of ibuprofen or naproxen leads to opioid abuse.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t believe that the use of ibuprofen or naproxen leads to opioid abuse.[/quote]

Maybe not direct link.

But the habit of a remedy for normal ailments cause us to have weak mind and to seek pills for everything.

Pain is the body’s way of telling us something.

I just hate it that parents spend so much money for cold remedy for their kids… They don’t solve anything, just mask the symptoms and begins the slippery slope to addiction.

I have watched boyfriends and girlfriends who bring $30 to $50 worth of remedies to their loved ones at the littlest sign of sickness, as way to show they care. What a waste of money and enabling of doping habits. Our society has a propensity to doping and believing in magic pills.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t believe that the use of ibuprofen or naproxen leads to opioid abuse.[/quote]

Maybe not direct link.

But the habit of a remedy for normal ailments cause us to have weak mind and to seek pills for everything.

Pain is the body’s way of telling us something.

I just hate it that parents spend so much money for cold remedy for their kids… They don’t solve anything, just mask the symptoms and begins the slippery slope to addiction.

I have watched boyfriends and girlfriends who bring $30 to $50 worth of remedies to their loved ones at the littlest sign of sickness, as way to show they care. What a waste of money and enabling of doping habits. Our society has a propensity to doping and believing in magic pills.[/quote]There is no cure for a cold but it is handy to have cough syrup and a decongestant on hand to get thru your day. Both of those things really work! Plain aspirin lowers body temperature. As far as all that other stuff, no, I would not buy $30 worth of stuff for a common cold. Having a vaporizer to sleep next to is the most helpful thing to use to ease ones’ symptoms and get some rest. I always keep simple cold fixes on hand to use if/when the need for them arises.

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