OT: Chaos

[spdrun]

It’s a start. 7 hr days more closely match school hours than 9-10 hr days. Plus 4 wks of vaca plus holidays will at least allow parents to take trips with kids and/or spend time with them during school breaks. Lastly, 35 hr weeks may allow for four day flex weeks for a lot more workers. Work 8.5 hr four days, take one day off to be with kids. If two parents do that on different days, then you end up having a parent around four days out of seven.

See my second part about income expectations — we should actually lower expectations, painful as that may be.

[FlyerInHi]

CAR, our founding fathers were an elitist bunch, comparatively much more so than elitists of today.

My point is the gun lobby doesn’t care about the constitution anymore than anyone else. That argument is tiresome.

I support gun ownership as do most politicians, I believe. But the constitution doesn’t say that owning guns should be cheap and convenient.

On self defense with guns it’s like defensive driving. You don’t cause an accident while insisting on your right of way. You have the responsibility to yield to avoid an accident, especially if you can safely yield. The Zimmerman case is prime example.

[FlyerInHi]

SK is right. If Assad win, Iran wins. Israel and SA have more at stake than we do. For us, the hesitation to get in there is justified.

So we provide arms to bearded Islamists, never mind that could come back and bite us in the ass later.

What are the French and Brits’ motivations in this. The French first provided the sarin evidence. The Brits confirmed, then we followed

Whenever I see McCain on TV I cringe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=FlyerInHi]SK is right. If Assad win, Iran wins. Israel and SA have more at stake than we do. For us, the hesitation to get in there is justified.

So we provide arms to bearded Islamists, never mind that could come back and bite us in the ass later.

What are the French and Brits’ motivations in this. The French first provided the sarin evidence. The Brits confirmed, then we followed

Whenever I see McCain on TV I cringe.[/quote]

The French and the British are watching the Russians, who are playing their own version of the Great Game. Russians are seeking to exploit this opportunity to push back on a US-led effort to contain Iran, as well as push Russian interests in the arms and energy markets.

Putin would enjoy nothing more than watching Obama and the US get humiliated.

As far as Saudi influence goes, it’s huge but it’s also quiet. Spend some time in Amman, or Dubai or, better yet, Qatar, to really see it at work. Israeli focus is on putting Iranian hardliners out of business (both for the nuke threat and support for Hezbollah and Hamas). Saudis are playing a longer game and seeing the Alawites in Syria get shown the door fits into their long-term strategy.

[Vod-Vil]

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/12/local/la-me-santa-monica-gun-20130613

[KIBU]

That is a problem. Loopholes in the gun laws where criminals and would be killers still can assemble guns from parts.

[spdrun]

Nonsense — unless you banned all power tools and machine tools, someone with sufficient skill and access to metal will ALWAYS be able to build a gun, perhaps a pretty advanced one.

[KIBU]

The point is that if one is barred from being able to buy a weapon due to some issues with one’s criminal/mental background, it makes sense that he/she would also be barred from being able to buy the parts. It’s just a loophole.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]cnn: Four fatally shot

“The unidentified owner of A K Home Health Care is believed to be the gunman, police said. The others appeared to be employees.
After a review of evidence, including a surveillance video, officers determined there had been an argument in the office of the business, Capt. Michael Sack told reporters”.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/us/missouri-shooting/%5B/quote%5D

KIBU: It’s interesting, but you continually post on spree killings, while apparently ignoring ALL other types of gun violence, most notably black-on-black violence. Are you aware of the epidemic of shootings in Chicago?

If we’re going to be honest about problems related to gun violence, like the woeful state of mental health care in the US, I think we also need to face the consequences of decades of race positive government programs that have destroyed the black nuclear family and have created a nihilistic and permanent underclass with an out-of-wedlock birthrate approaching 70%, a high school dropout rate in excess of 50% and where homicide is the leading case of death among young black males.

Are YOU willing to be HONEST and admit that this is a PROBLEM? Or, does this strike too close to home, in terms of your political beliefs? Akin to Obama offering a “teachable moment” in the Trayvon Martin shooting, while completely ignoring what was happening in the streets of his adopted Chicago.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=KIBU]The point is that if one is barred from being able to buy a weapon due to some issues with one’s criminal/mental background, it makes sense that he/she would also be barred from being able to buy the parts. It’s just a loophole.[/quote]

Yea, because someone that will take the time to source basic gun components, then build a gun, test it and then leave an apologetic note for the rampage he’s going to do isn’t going to find another destructive device to use, such as a pressure cooker.

[KIBU]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/15/us/nebraska-violence/index.html

(CNN) — Four shootings in less than an hour left three people dead in Omaha, Nebraska, police said.
Two shooting victims were killed, as was one gunman, who was not identified, police said. Two other people were critically wounded.
The shootings all took place in south Omaha on Saturday, the same day the city kicked off the College World Series — the NCAA championship for baseball.

[mike92104]

If we’re just going to pull up random news stories:

Senior Citizen Shoots Armed Robbers at Internet Cafe

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/18/senior-citizen-shoots-armed-robbers-at-internet-cafe/

14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Armed Intruder in Home

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/02/14-year-old-boy-shoots-armed-intruder-i-home/

Teen Mother Kills Armed Intruder, Becomes National Sensation

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/01/07/sarah-mckinley/#ixzz2WRCFEBvY

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=mike92104]If we’re just going to pull up random news stories:

Senior Citizen Shoots Armed Robbers at Internet Cafe

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/18/senior-citizen-shoots-armed-robbers-at-internet-cafe/

14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Armed Intruder in Home

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/02/14-year-old-boy-shoots-armed-intruder-i-home/

Teen Mother Kills Armed Intruder, Becomes National Sensation

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/01/07/sarah-mckinley/#ixzz2WRCFEBvY%5B/quote%5D

Uh, Mike, we cannot have these kinds of stories! They don’t comport with the narrative of “Guns = Bad” that KIBU is trying to spread.

How can we have an “honest” conversation when you start throwing counter-revolutionary bullshit like facts and evidence into the mix?

Sheesh.

[KIBU]

Thanks Mike, but I remembered reading some of these back in 2012. Thanks for reminding these news.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Thanks Mike, but I remembered reading some of these back in 2012. Thanks for reminding these news.[/quote]

Yeah, Mike, cuz there haven’t been any similar stories since 2012…

And, yes, “thanks for reminding these news.”

KIBU, are you employed by the People’s Republic of China? It would explain the distinctly Marxist tone and verbiage you use, as well as the contorted and strangled grammar.

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