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June 11, 2013 at 8:23 PM #762655June 11, 2013 at 8:43 PM #762656
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=KIBU]More shootings and death in Santa Monica, close to the college:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/two-injured-santa-monica-shooting-566213
It seems like everyday, there are plenty of the so called “isolated” deaths by guns all over the cuountry.[/quote]
KIBU: Again, a red herring. There are thousands of gun deaths around the country. I never disputed that. My point was specific to mass killings, and a specific rebuttal to your assertion that mass killings were commonplace. Which, they are not.
Let’s try this another way, since you clearly skipped your Logic 101 course in undergrad.
What do you favor as the answer to this intractable problem?
A complete ban on all firearms?
A partial ban on some firearms?
Some specific limits?
Instead of being sarcastic, and without a plan, how’s about you take a stand and tell us your SPECIFIC PLAN WITH DETAILS.
You up for that? Or, are you simply content to spew bullshit talking points without actually addressing a problem you clearly feel so strongly about?
June 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM #762658Participant[quote=ocrenter]
No one is looking at removal of guns, simply better and more effective restrictions in place. I dont think that is unconstitutional.[/quote]
OCR: Sake of argument, what sort of restrictions would you propose? Who would implement them? Who would enforce them?
I’m being genuinely serious here. With a poster like KIBU, one is confronted with “argument” that’s long on propaganda, but utterly devoid of any meaningful proposals on how to solve the problem.
So, I’m curious to hear what you think.
June 11, 2013 at 10:01 PM #762663ocrenter
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=ocrenter]
No one is looking at removal of guns, simply better and more effective restrictions in place. I dont think that is unconstitutional.[/quote]
OCR: Sake of argument, what sort of restrictions would you propose? Who would implement them? Who would enforce them?
I’m being genuinely serious here. With a poster like KIBU, one is confronted with “argument” that’s long on propaganda, but utterly devoid of any meaningful proposals on how to solve the problem.
So, I’m curious to hear what you think.[/quote]
#1. Mandated gun liability insurance.
#2. Mandatory registration of all guns.
#3. Background check on all purchases of guns and ammo.
#4. Ban all internet sales
#5. Some type of assault weapons banJune 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM #762666ParticipantOCR: Thanks.
#1. Agree.
#2. Disagree. None of the gubment’s business. Plus, the BATF Form 4473 establishes, under threat of perjury and criminal penalty, that one is legally fit at time of purchase.
#3. Agree, with the caveat that all records are destroyed within 90 days and there is no federal registry.
#4. Agree.
#5. Gotta ask why on this. Assault weapons are responsible for a statistically small percentage of gun deaths annually. Why target this specific group/type of weapon?June 11, 2013 at 10:38 PM #762667dumbrenter
ParticipantWe should have mandatory registration of all knives over 4 inches long, clubs, baseball bats and dog owners.
Any dog owner letting their dog off the leash in a public area should prosecuted by a government appointed panel.June 11, 2013 at 11:07 PM #762668CDMA ENG
Participant[quote=dumbrenter]We should have mandatory registration of all knives over 4 inches long, clubs, baseball bats and dog owners.
Any dog owner letting their dog off the leash in a public area should prosecuted by a government appointed panel.[/quote]OH Oh… and parenting… Parenting too…
I think more lives have been screwed up from bad parents than any other single items so lets throw them into the arguement as well…
CE
June 12, 2013 at 6:24 AM #762670Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]OCR: Thanks.
#1. Agree.
#2. Disagree. None of the gubment’s business. Plus, the BATF Form 4473 establishes, under threat of perjury and criminal penalty, that one is legally fit at time of purchase.
#3. Agree, with the caveat that all records are destroyed within 90 days and there is no federal registry.
#4. Agree.
#5. Gotta ask why on this. Assault weapons are responsible for a statistically small percentage of gun deaths annually. Why target this specific group/type of weapon?[/quote]#2. This is so the firearms are traceable. Someone can be a front, clears the background checks, then hands the gun to someone else. Also, without a registration, how can you mandate the liability insurance.
#5. Firepower. At some point you have to limit guns with excessive firepower. Guns are for self defense right? Why do we need assault weapons for self defense?
June 12, 2013 at 7:13 AM #762673Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=dumbrenter]We should have mandatory registration of all knives over 4 inches long, clubs, baseball bats and dog owners.
Any dog owner letting their dog off the leash in a public area should prosecuted by a government appointed panel.[/quote]OH Oh… and parenting… Parenting too…
I think more lives have been screwed up from bad parents than any other single items so lets throw them into the arguement as well…
CE[/quote]
Parents! how could I have forgotten the biggest item for mandatory registration?
Thanks for pointing it out.
Every parent should get a license from government before having kids since these kids turn out to be future users of the future banned weapons.
What good will all these guns be if nobody is around to shoot them?June 12, 2013 at 7:42 AM #762675Participant[quote=dumbrenter]We should have mandatory registration of all knives over 4 inches long, clubs, baseball bats and dog owners.
Any dog owner letting their dog off the leash in a public area should prosecuted by a government appointed panel.[/quote]GLad you brought up dogs. All dogs are mandated to be registered. If caught having an unlicensed dog, a fine is assessed. An unlicensed dog involved in an altercation you are now looking at charges of an at large dog and having a vicious dog. Dogs that exchange hands need to be re-licensed, and so on.
Great example dumbrenter, thanks!
June 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM #762678FlyerInHi
GuestAllan, as it stands right now, the law forbids the BATF form from being digitized or computerized. The gun dealer keeps the form in a manual system. BATF does not keep a copy. You can’t even scan the form and keep it in searchable PDF for storage purposes.
tracing a gun is a painfully slow process that requires going back to the dealer and looking at his paper files.
As to taxes I was talking not about sales taxes but about an annual property tax.
There are plenty of ways to restrict guns and still abide by the constitution.
June 12, 2013 at 9:24 AM #762679NotCranky
ParticipantWe are registered, parents or not, and if there are kids they are registered too. That’s just the SSN. Is that constitutional? What’s the big deal with guns? Register them all. How are you going to have liability insurance without registration? That’s a form of registration in itself and the gov. would be able to access all that. Who has died doesn’t have much to do with it. We need to know who has guns and they need to jump through more damn hoops. That’s obvious.
June 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM #762681(former)FormerSanDiegan
ParticipantWe should just make killing people illegal.
June 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM #762682no_such_reality
Participant[quote]A 72-year-old grandmother who fired her .357 magnum revolver at a man allegedly trying to break into her Orange County home said Tuesday that she was trying to defend herself and her 85-year-old husband.[/quote]
Meanwhile, Santa Monica College gunman had bomb materials in 2006 when Police searched due to violent threats
Yea, more laws will improve this issue.
June 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM #762686livinincali
Participant[quote=ocrenter]
#1. Mandated gun liability insurance.
[/quote]If you put a little thought into this idea it might be the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of. Just think though some of these thought experiments.
1) Does a single crackhead mother of a gangbanger son who’s been convicted of multiple crimes get a check for $2 million when her son gets killed?
2) Does a husband or wife get a reward of $2 million when they successfully get away with having their spouse killed.
3) Do you get a check for $100K when you accidentally get shot in the foot by your hunting buddy. Are you sure it was an accident, what if it was on purpose?
It would be good for for the insurance business. It’s probably also good for your real purpose in proposing the idea. In essence you want to charge enough for people to own a weapon so they’ll give up the ownership of that weapon. If I charge $2000 per year to drive a car I bet I fix a lot of the traffic problems.
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