OT – F as in Fat

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter] Why can’t we change the world?

If we honestly believe that certain food additives or behaviors (of various sorts) are detrimental to our health and society, why should we not try to change them?[/quote]

If you read CD’s post you’d see that our backward primitive instincts are causing us, as humans, to be self-destructive.

Banning certain foods won’t help. In a world of abundance where everything is commoditized, we need to evolve psychologically to resist self-destruction.

That would take real leadership to tell people some painful truths. It won’t happen because people get all in a tizzy and offended if you even hint that they are fat. Michelle Obama being labeled as a food Nazi is a prime example.

But failing a change in thinking, banning/taxing harmful foods is a good start. Even that will be very hard. I think that CD would say that’s just kicking the can down the road.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=threadkiller]OK just checked my BMI and @ 6’2″ weighing 203 I’m overweight. I don’t look overweight, I admit though that I do “feel” overweight. I would have to lose 9 pounds to weigh in @ 194 and not be overweight. That’s 36288 Calories that I need to burn. Ok I will get started on it tomorrow, oh yeah I forgot tomorrow never comes,so how about right now. Most people under estimate how long it takes to lose weight. Other than fasting, which I agree would do a lot of people good to try, it would probably take atleast 3 weeks to lose those 9 pounds, minimum.[/quote]

There are schools of thought that says this line of thinking is just not correct. That applying the law of ThermoDynamics to weight loss is simplistic because of those who have insulin resistance issues.

The Gary Taubes, “why we get fat” book covers this fairly well. My mother read part of the book and was convinced by many of the arguments. As a kid, she was the fat kid (somewhat anyway). In a house of 5 kids the family rationed everything even down to the carton of ice cream. That is mom sliced an equal part for each kid, bagged it up labled it and that was your snack for the week, a square of ice cream. The other brother’s and sisters were fine with weight, she struggled. Despite reading that and saying “wow that makes sense” she goes right back to counting calories.

We are doing biggest loser at work and I am down 3.9% after 3 weeks and haven’t really started walking. In keeping with the Robb Wolf line of thinking on not stressing the body and raising cortisol levels, I’ll walk about 45 minutes, and lift very heavy but low reps in two simple things deadlift and bench since they cover about 95% of the musculature. If you read Pavel Tsatsouline’s Power to the People (I think a free copy is around on google books) he discusses how lifting very close to the max (85%) for very low reps will allow max strength gains without added weight.

However I wanted to establish a pattern of eating first it’s much much more important than the workout. So basically and eggs breakfast, and try to eat some kind of fatty meats and some veggies. The tough part is social time of course at the office. One thing is I am more satiated and thus eat less. If I down 1/2-3/4 lbs. of sausage at lunch, I pretty much have to force myself to eat a little dinner.

No grains, no sugars, no legumes, I struggle with cutting out cheese as the Paleo guys prefer no dairy as well. Right now just losing is most important, as I am definitely obese, albeit fairly active as a baseball dad. However my 16 year old is now pulling 340 and beats me easily, and I need to catch up out of pride. (though he certainly throws harder and hits harder too).

A last note, it’s VERY VERY hard to eat 3000 calories when not eating grains/pasta/sugar. So despite Taubes argument about not worrying about calories, most will still cut drastically. Takes a lot of Ribeye to = 3000 calories. Take the example above about In and Out. If I go to In and Out burger and order “Protein Style” who cares if I get a double? If I am not taking in the calories from bread, fries and shakes, I’ve cut out quite a bit, and basically still get full eating a few patties on a bed of lettuce.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=threadkiller]OK just checked my BMI and @ 6’2″ weighing 203 I’m overweight. I don’t look overweight, I admit though that I do “feel” overweight. I would have to lose 9 pounds to weigh in @ 194 and not be overweight. That’s 36288 Calories that I need to burn. Ok I will get started on it tomorrow, oh yeah I forgot tomorrow never comes,so how about right now. Most people under estimate how long it takes to lose weight. Other than fasting, which I agree would do a lot of people good to try, it would probably take atleast 3 weeks to lose those 9 pounds, minimum.[/quote]

There are schools of thought that says this line of thinking is just not correct. That applying the law of ThermoDynamics to weight loss is simplistic because of those who have insulin resistance issues.

The Gary Taubes, “why we get fat” book covers this fairly well. My mother read part of the book and was convinced by many of the arguments. As a kid, she was the fat kid (somewhat anyway). In a house of 5 kids the family rationed everything even down to the carton of ice cream. That is mom sliced an equal part for each kid, bagged it up labled it and that was your snack for the week, a square of ice cream. The other brother’s and sisters were fine with weight, she struggled. Despite reading that and saying “wow that makes sense” she goes right back to counting calories.

We are doing biggest loser at work and I am down 3.9% after 3 weeks and haven’t really started walking. In keeping with the Robb Wolf line of thinking on not stressing the body and raising cortisol levels, I’ll walk about 45 minutes, and lift very heavy but low reps in two simple things deadlift and bench since they cover about 95% of the musculature. If you read Pavel Tsatsouline’s Power to the People (I think a free copy is around on google books) he discusses how lifting very close to the max (85%) for very low reps will allow max strength gains without added weight.

However I wanted to establish a pattern of eating first it’s much much more important than the workout. So basically and eggs breakfast, and try to eat some kind of fatty meats and some veggies. The tough part is social time of course at the office. One thing is I am more satiated and thus eat less. If I down 1/2-3/4 lbs. of sausage at lunch, I pretty much have to force myself to eat a little dinner.

No grains, no sugars, no legumes, I struggle with cutting out cheese as the Paleo guys prefer no dairy as well. Right now just losing is most important, as I am definitely obese, albeit fairly active as a baseball dad. However my 16 year old is now pulling 340 and beats me easily, and I need to catch up out of pride. (though he certainly throws harder and hits harder too).

A last note, it’s VERY VERY hard to eat 3000 calories when not eating grains/pasta/sugar. So despite Taubes argument about not worrying about calories, most will still cut drastically. Takes a lot of Ribeye to = 3000 calories. Take the example above about In and Out. If I go to In and Out burger and order “Protein Style” who cares if I get a double? If I am not taking in the calories from bread, fries and shakes, I’ve cut out quite a bit, and basically still get full eating a few patties on a bed of lettuce.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=threadkiller]OK just checked my BMI and @ 6’2″ weighing 203 I’m overweight. I don’t look overweight, I admit though that I do “feel” overweight. I would have to lose 9 pounds to weigh in @ 194 and not be overweight. That’s 36288 Calories that I need to burn. Ok I will get started on it tomorrow, oh yeah I forgot tomorrow never comes,so how about right now. Most people under estimate how long it takes to lose weight. Other than fasting, which I agree would do a lot of people good to try, it would probably take atleast 3 weeks to lose those 9 pounds, minimum.[/quote]

There are schools of thought that says this line of thinking is just not correct. That applying the law of ThermoDynamics to weight loss is simplistic because of those who have insulin resistance issues.

The Gary Taubes, “why we get fat” book covers this fairly well. My mother read part of the book and was convinced by many of the arguments. As a kid, she was the fat kid (somewhat anyway). In a house of 5 kids the family rationed everything even down to the carton of ice cream. That is mom sliced an equal part for each kid, bagged it up labled it and that was your snack for the week, a square of ice cream. The other brother’s and sisters were fine with weight, she struggled. Despite reading that and saying “wow that makes sense” she goes right back to counting calories.

We are doing biggest loser at work and I am down 3.9% after 3 weeks and haven’t really started walking. In keeping with the Robb Wolf line of thinking on not stressing the body and raising cortisol levels, I’ll walk about 45 minutes, and lift very heavy but low reps in two simple things deadlift and bench since they cover about 95% of the musculature. If you read Pavel Tsatsouline’s Power to the People (I think a free copy is around on google books) he discusses how lifting very close to the max (85%) for very low reps will allow max strength gains without added weight.

However I wanted to establish a pattern of eating first it’s much much more important than the workout. So basically and eggs breakfast, and try to eat some kind of fatty meats and some veggies. The tough part is social time of course at the office. One thing is I am more satiated and thus eat less. If I down 1/2-3/4 lbs. of sausage at lunch, I pretty much have to force myself to eat a little dinner.

No grains, no sugars, no legumes, I struggle with cutting out cheese as the Paleo guys prefer no dairy as well. Right now just losing is most important, as I am definitely obese, albeit fairly active as a baseball dad. However my 16 year old is now pulling 340 and beats me easily, and I need to catch up out of pride. (though he certainly throws harder and hits harder too).

A last note, it’s VERY VERY hard to eat 3000 calories when not eating grains/pasta/sugar. So despite Taubes argument about not worrying about calories, most will still cut drastically. Takes a lot of Ribeye to = 3000 calories. Take the example above about In and Out. If I go to In and Out burger and order “Protein Style” who cares if I get a double? If I am not taking in the calories from bread, fries and shakes, I’ve cut out quite a bit, and basically still get full eating a few patties on a bed of lettuce.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=threadkiller]OK just checked my BMI and @ 6’2″ weighing 203 I’m overweight. I don’t look overweight, I admit though that I do “feel” overweight. I would have to lose 9 pounds to weigh in @ 194 and not be overweight. That’s 36288 Calories that I need to burn. Ok I will get started on it tomorrow, oh yeah I forgot tomorrow never comes,so how about right now. Most people under estimate how long it takes to lose weight. Other than fasting, which I agree would do a lot of people good to try, it would probably take atleast 3 weeks to lose those 9 pounds, minimum.[/quote]

There are schools of thought that says this line of thinking is just not correct. That applying the law of ThermoDynamics to weight loss is simplistic because of those who have insulin resistance issues.

The Gary Taubes, “why we get fat” book covers this fairly well. My mother read part of the book and was convinced by many of the arguments. As a kid, she was the fat kid (somewhat anyway). In a house of 5 kids the family rationed everything even down to the carton of ice cream. That is mom sliced an equal part for each kid, bagged it up labled it and that was your snack for the week, a square of ice cream. The other brother’s and sisters were fine with weight, she struggled. Despite reading that and saying “wow that makes sense” she goes right back to counting calories.

We are doing biggest loser at work and I am down 3.9% after 3 weeks and haven’t really started walking. In keeping with the Robb Wolf line of thinking on not stressing the body and raising cortisol levels, I’ll walk about 45 minutes, and lift very heavy but low reps in two simple things deadlift and bench since they cover about 95% of the musculature. If you read Pavel Tsatsouline’s Power to the People (I think a free copy is around on google books) he discusses how lifting very close to the max (85%) for very low reps will allow max strength gains without added weight.

However I wanted to establish a pattern of eating first it’s much much more important than the workout. So basically and eggs breakfast, and try to eat some kind of fatty meats and some veggies. The tough part is social time of course at the office. One thing is I am more satiated and thus eat less. If I down 1/2-3/4 lbs. of sausage at lunch, I pretty much have to force myself to eat a little dinner.

No grains, no sugars, no legumes, I struggle with cutting out cheese as the Paleo guys prefer no dairy as well. Right now just losing is most important, as I am definitely obese, albeit fairly active as a baseball dad. However my 16 year old is now pulling 340 and beats me easily, and I need to catch up out of pride. (though he certainly throws harder and hits harder too).

A last note, it’s VERY VERY hard to eat 3000 calories when not eating grains/pasta/sugar. So despite Taubes argument about not worrying about calories, most will still cut drastically. Takes a lot of Ribeye to = 3000 calories. Take the example above about In and Out. If I go to In and Out burger and order “Protein Style” who cares if I get a double? If I am not taking in the calories from bread, fries and shakes, I’ve cut out quite a bit, and basically still get full eating a few patties on a bed of lettuce.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=threadkiller]OK just checked my BMI and @ 6’2″ weighing 203 I’m overweight. I don’t look overweight, I admit though that I do “feel” overweight. I would have to lose 9 pounds to weigh in @ 194 and not be overweight. That’s 36288 Calories that I need to burn. Ok I will get started on it tomorrow, oh yeah I forgot tomorrow never comes,so how about right now. Most people under estimate how long it takes to lose weight. Other than fasting, which I agree would do a lot of people good to try, it would probably take atleast 3 weeks to lose those 9 pounds, minimum.[/quote]

There are schools of thought that says this line of thinking is just not correct. That applying the law of ThermoDynamics to weight loss is simplistic because of those who have insulin resistance issues.

The Gary Taubes, “why we get fat” book covers this fairly well. My mother read part of the book and was convinced by many of the arguments. As a kid, she was the fat kid (somewhat anyway). In a house of 5 kids the family rationed everything even down to the carton of ice cream. That is mom sliced an equal part for each kid, bagged it up labled it and that was your snack for the week, a square of ice cream. The other brother’s and sisters were fine with weight, she struggled. Despite reading that and saying “wow that makes sense” she goes right back to counting calories.

We are doing biggest loser at work and I am down 3.9% after 3 weeks and haven’t really started walking. In keeping with the Robb Wolf line of thinking on not stressing the body and raising cortisol levels, I’ll walk about 45 minutes, and lift very heavy but low reps in two simple things deadlift and bench since they cover about 95% of the musculature. If you read Pavel Tsatsouline’s Power to the People (I think a free copy is around on google books) he discusses how lifting very close to the max (85%) for very low reps will allow max strength gains without added weight.

However I wanted to establish a pattern of eating first it’s much much more important than the workout. So basically and eggs breakfast, and try to eat some kind of fatty meats and some veggies. The tough part is social time of course at the office. One thing is I am more satiated and thus eat less. If I down 1/2-3/4 lbs. of sausage at lunch, I pretty much have to force myself to eat a little dinner.

No grains, no sugars, no legumes, I struggle with cutting out cheese as the Paleo guys prefer no dairy as well. Right now just losing is most important, as I am definitely obese, albeit fairly active as a baseball dad. However my 16 year old is now pulling 340 and beats me easily, and I need to catch up out of pride. (though he certainly throws harder and hits harder too).

A last note, it’s VERY VERY hard to eat 3000 calories when not eating grains/pasta/sugar. So despite Taubes argument about not worrying about calories, most will still cut drastically. Takes a lot of Ribeye to = 3000 calories. Take the example above about In and Out. If I go to In and Out burger and order “Protein Style” who cares if I get a double? If I am not taking in the calories from bread, fries and shakes, I’ve cut out quite a bit, and basically still get full eating a few patties on a bed of lettuce.

[NotCranky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRaNwIdrKuc&feature=relmfu

This is an interview with Dr. Feletti of Kaiser Permanente on the topic of chronic obesity. Maybe it will be useful for practical or analytical purposes to some. It’s just a part of an interesting series on carry over effects of childhood stress/trauma inducing events. The rest of the series links will be self evident on youtube.

[briansd1]

Good article on mindful eating. I have been practicing my own version of it.

It starts with preparing or reheating a meal and eating it in silence, even if I’m eating alone.

I guess the “real capitalists” at Google approve.

[cvmom]

So happy my own weight loss plan is working (down 5 lbs in 5 weeks):

4 cups veggies per day
protein source 3x per day
cut out animal fat and trans fat
drink tons of water

I haven’t had to track or count anything, and I’ve been much less hungry. This is really working for me, as I am WAY too busy to diet.

[CA renter]

Yay! Good for you, cvmom. 🙂

[moneymaker]

Driving to work I was thinking of putting on a bumper sticker saying “If it weren’t for fat people there would be no skinny people”. It’s all relative until it becomes a health issue.

[briansd1]

Health issues is when stomach sticks out further than your chest, at least for a man. Abdominal fat emits toxins.

What about looks? Don’t we fix ugly houses and car dents?
Seems like people care more about brown lawns and palm fronds than their bodies.

[scaredyclassic]

fat and skinny dichotomy is so two thousand and late. now i see the world different. it’s weak, nonmuscular people v people who have powerful musculature. Personally, I was 150 in september, now I’m 169, by far the most I have ever weighed in my life. I’ve been eating as much as I can, three eggs a day, multiple whey protein serving, giant portions of beans and meat, trying to pack on the muscle while doing my squats dips deadlift overhead presses and weighted pullups and dips. Skinny is weak. I don’t care about your fat; i wanna see some power! Might be useful for schools and youth to stop talking about fat and skinny and start talking about powerful and weak. how fast can you sprint, how high can you jump how much weight can you throw over your head? that’s more productive than saying someone’s got a little pudge.

Weakness sucks!

Power to the people!

[CA renter]

Good post, scaredy.

[NotCranky]

Kaiser used to have a physical program that they used to state the examinees health age. That was neat. Probably a more fair test.

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