OT: Ebola – Global Pandemic?

[Coronita]

Ok, back on topic. The second nurse that is now infected apparently was on a Frontier Air flight days between Cleveland and Dallas after nursing Duncan…

Great.

Hello? If you are a caregiver for an Ebola patient, maybe you should quarantine yourself during the wait period when symptoms might show up…you think?

This will be interesting 132 passengers on that flight..And I wonder how many successive flights since then…

[outtamojo]

[quote=zk][quote=Aecetia]
Will you settle for hard to catch?

[/quote]

If you show me an expert who says it’s hard to catch I will. Professor Gershoni said it’s “relatively hard to catch.” Not the same. And a long, long way from “almost impossible.” (Depending on what you’re relative comparison was, of course.)[/quote]

Let’s settle on the “infectiousness of ebola is not constant.”
Nobody on Duncan’s plane caught it.
Nobody in Duncan’s apartment caught it.
2 medical personal wearing protective gear caught it.
This is because viral loads zoom in the last days of life and it is during this time that ebola is most infectious.
Edit: based on this, I predict that the infected hospital workers did not spread disease to anyone in contact with them before they tested positive.

[outtamojo]

[quote=flu]Ok, back on topic. The second nurse that is now infected apparently was on a Frontier Air flight days between Cleveland and Dallas after nursing Duncan…

Great.

Hello? If you are a caregiver for an Ebola patient, maybe you should quarantine yourself during the wait period when symptoms might show up…you think?

This will be interesting 132 passengers on that flight..And I wonder how many successive flights since then…[/quote]

Wonder if self quarantine was in the precious protocol. At this point though the likelihood of transferring ebola to someone on the flight is small as it is still early in the course of the disease. Duncan did not infect anyone on the plane or his apartment. Yeah I’m starting to sound like an overconfident CDC guy but that’s the pattern that is emerging.
Stay away from ebola victim’s dead or near dying
and most of us will be ok.

[zk]

[quote=CA renter]

“10 Nefarious Conspiracies Proven True”

http://listverse.com/2013/05/02/10-nefarious-conspiracies-proven-true/

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There’s the story of “weapons of mass destruction” that didn’t exist in Iraq.

And I’m still not convinced we’ve heard the end of 9/11 investigation results.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

And the heavy put buying on United and American Airlines just days before 9/11. I’m offering up the rebuttal to the “conspiracy theorists” but they simply say that these traders didn’t have any links to al Qaeda, which wasn’t what the “conspiracy theorists” were suggesting in the first place.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

And, of course, there’s the EPA telling NY residents that it was safe to breathe the air after 911 (and President Bush telling everyone in the U.S. to “go shopping”!).

“Three days after 9/11, following questionable air sampling techniques, a spokesperson for the EPA said that levels of asbestos were either at low levels, negligible, or undetectable.

“I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that the air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink,” Whitman said one week after 9/11.”

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-up

And just a tiny bit of info about the infiltration and destruction of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/05/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410783.html%5B/quote%5D

Before I run down the rest of the “conspiracy theories,” I want to talk about what I see as a conspiracy. As I said before in this thread, “I know [the government lies], and sometimes even for malevolent reasons. “ The government lying to us isn’t necessarily a conspiracy. When I say conspiracy theorists are basically always wrong, I’m talking about government plots. Faking the moon landing. Perpetrating the 9/11 attacks. That sort of thing. I’m going to go out of order:

#8 Fasicst Plot to take over America: This got nowhere. No one in government would go along.

#9 Gulf of Tonkin: This was a lie to cover up a mistake. Not a conspiracy.

America perpetrated 9/11: Just lunacy. No evidence that stands up to scrutiny.

Infiltrate Occupy Wall Street: This was a lot of government bungling. They got a bit overzealous.

#7 False witness on Iraq: A lie, to be sure. Not really a conspiracy.

#5 Asbestos: This was a corporate cover up to keep a company alive. Quite nasty, and you could call it a corporate conspiracy.

Safe to breathe 9/11: I’m not sure about this one. Having read about it, it looks like a lot of government incompetence and some lying. I work for the federal government. It’s a terribly-run operation in the best of times. At a time like the aftermath of 9/11, I would expect nothing better than confusion, chaos, and utter incompetence. (Except, of course, from the air traffic controllers, who are relatively free of red tape and who did a masterful job.)

These next three could, from a certain point of view, be considered government conspiracies. They were all extended misinformation campaigns designed to sway public opinion. There was no direct action, though. So really, it’s just a lot of lying.

WMD in Iraq: They strategically and purposely lied to us for the purpose of rushing to a war they wanted.

#4 Cointelpro: This was a concerted effort to target the entire left wing: anyone liberal was seen as a danger and slandered in print.

#6 Mockingbird: The purpose was to influence media toward hatred and fear of Soviet Communism. Led to rise of McCarthy.

Here’s one that does rise to the level of conspiracy:
#10 Poison Alcohol: The FBI purposely poisoned thousands of Americans. Horrible.

So, I’m going to come off my position of basically always wrong. The U.S. government did, at least once, conspire against some of its people. I do maintain that the notion that conspiracy theorists are right more often than not is preposterous.

[outtamojo]

Some more tidbits about Texas Presbyterian:

Apparently they were sending Duncan’s fluid samples to the hospital laboratory via pneumatic tube system.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/nurses_union_ebola_hospital_health_care_workers_not_prepared_to_deal_with_the_virus.html

I’ve seen improperly sealed specimens spill and leak out when sent thru such systems and then the whole thing has to be shut down and decontaminated otherwise contaminated tubes end up throughout the entire hospital. It was such a perceived danger that liquids are no longer allowed in our tube system where I work.

Nurses were allowed to treat other patients at the same time they were treating Duncan.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

The non-unionized nurses sought out the National Nurses Union so they could air their grievances anonymously- I sense some major dysfunction goin on…

[Coronita]

….So it turns out Dr. Brantly’s blood type is A+……

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dr-kent-brantly-donate-blood-thomas-eric-duncan/story?id=26226388

So I guess the only people that wouldn’t be able to get any sort of transfusion (whether it’s whole blood or just plasma) is blood type B…..

which is what was Duncan’s blood type.

[outtamojo]

[quote=flu]….So it turns out Dr. Brantly’s blood type is A+……

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dr-kent-brantly-donate-blood-thomas-eric-duncan/story?id=26226388

So I guess the only people that wouldn’t be able to get any sort of transfusion (whether it’s whole blood or just plasma) is blood type B…..

which is what was Duncan’s blood type.[/quote]

Type A plasma has anti B antibodies so type AB is also not compatible with type A plasma.
Again, incompatible plasma in small amounts can be safely transfused so compatability should not really be an impediment given risk/reward.If you regularly receive platelet transfusions it is likely that at some time you received a type that was not the same as your own with incompatible plasma.

[Coronita]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]….So it turns out Dr. Brantly’s blood type is A+……

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dr-kent-brantly-donate-blood-thomas-eric-duncan/story?id=26226388

So I guess the only people that wouldn’t be able to get any sort of transfusion (whether it’s whole blood or just plasma) is blood type B…..

which is what was Duncan’s blood type.[/quote]

Type A plasma has anti B antibodies so type AB is also not compatible with type A plasma.
Again, incompatible plasma in small amounts can be safely transfused so compatability should not really be an impediment given risk/reward.If you regularly receive platelet transfusions it is likely that at some time you received a type that was not the same as your own with incompatible plasma.[/quote]

But in that case, wouldn’t they just be able to do a whole blood transfusion from A to AB?

[outtamojo]

Whole blood contains red cells and plasma.
Whole blood is rarely used for transfusion these days.

[Coronita]

[quote=outtamojo]Whole blood contains red cells and plasma.
Whole blood is rarely used for transfusion these days.[/quote]

Ah.. But can it?

[outtamojo]

Yes it can, but it is not done as a general practice. (Although we give type A
packed red blood cells to type AB patients all the time. This is because most of the plasma is removed from packed rbc’s.)

[The-Shoveler]

I was just reading a short story in the NY times about a city in West Africa they were saying is covered in bodies, it was totally out of control, no place to take them (no room left in any treatment centers).

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[SD Realtor]

Agreed… nothing to see here… time to move along…

My prediction, which I sincerely hope is incorrect, is that our daily life will be changing for us all pretty soon.

Just a guess but logic and probability pretty much point in that direction.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Agreed… nothing to see here… time to move along…

My prediction, which I sincerely hope is incorrect, is that our daily life will be changing for us all pretty soon.

Just a guess but logic and probability pretty much point in that direction.[/quote]

I doubt Ebola is going to be it. Disease warfare could be part of our future once the “terrorist” make inevitable progress at hitting us here. That’s when daily life will be changing.

[Zeitgeist]

National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200) was completed on December 10, 1974 by the United States National Security Council under the direction of Henry Kissinger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200

Maybe this is why we let Ebola take over parts of Africa…
just adding to the tinfoil head gear.

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