ot: Bin laden is dead

[scaredyclassic]

I think there’s around a 25 perc. Chance OBL was killed in the recent raid. Maybe a little higher.

[all]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance]It interesting how the media tries to promote the narrative as advanced by the United States Government. It very much the same tactics used when people questioned the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

They appear to be shocked when a person they interview suggests this all a psy-ops.

As in “what? Are you serious? You really believe this was fabricated?” They then totally ignore the lack of evidence and just persist in this vein.

“You really can not be serious!? Can you repeat what you said for the listening audience?” It does not matter whether the person being interviewed lays out his or her case such as.

Using the example of Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. Mentioning the lies told about the WMDs. Pointing out that the CIA admitted openly it was fabricating Bin Laden tapes. Mentioning all of the press reports of Bin Laden having died years ago. Pointing out how the story continually changed.

All of this is talked over and ignored and the person is more or less mocked as some sort of loony for even suggesting this all faked.

The viewing audience do not see themselves as a loony so they chuckle along with the interviewer.

To add to this farce the US Government now claims they had the home in question under surveillance by the CIA for months yet in all of that time did not take a single picture of Osama Bin Laden entering or leaving.

They claim there was none which begs the question, how did they conclude he was in there?[/quote]

As someone who was on the losing end of a media war I most definitely understand the disconnect between real and reported. What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years. We just don’t work that way. People will form coalitions to further their own personal agenda, but they will change the allies when the circumstances change. Except Borg and Chuck Norris, of course.

How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk. That fits my experience of bystander and math major (analytical thinking and all that) who saw the details of the sausage-making process much better than alternatives.

[all]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance]It interesting how the media tries to promote the narrative as advanced by the United States Government. It very much the same tactics used when people questioned the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

They appear to be shocked when a person they interview suggests this all a psy-ops.

As in “what? Are you serious? You really believe this was fabricated?” They then totally ignore the lack of evidence and just persist in this vein.

“You really can not be serious!? Can you repeat what you said for the listening audience?” It does not matter whether the person being interviewed lays out his or her case such as.

Using the example of Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. Mentioning the lies told about the WMDs. Pointing out that the CIA admitted openly it was fabricating Bin Laden tapes. Mentioning all of the press reports of Bin Laden having died years ago. Pointing out how the story continually changed.

All of this is talked over and ignored and the person is more or less mocked as some sort of loony for even suggesting this all faked.

The viewing audience do not see themselves as a loony so they chuckle along with the interviewer.

To add to this farce the US Government now claims they had the home in question under surveillance by the CIA for months yet in all of that time did not take a single picture of Osama Bin Laden entering or leaving.

They claim there was none which begs the question, how did they conclude he was in there?[/quote]

As someone who was on the losing end of a media war I most definitely understand the disconnect between real and reported. What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years. We just don’t work that way. People will form coalitions to further their own personal agenda, but they will change the allies when the circumstances change. Except Borg and Chuck Norris, of course.

How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk. That fits my experience of bystander and math major (analytical thinking and all that) who saw the details of the sausage-making process much better than alternatives.

[all]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance]It interesting how the media tries to promote the narrative as advanced by the United States Government. It very much the same tactics used when people questioned the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

They appear to be shocked when a person they interview suggests this all a psy-ops.

As in “what? Are you serious? You really believe this was fabricated?” They then totally ignore the lack of evidence and just persist in this vein.

“You really can not be serious!? Can you repeat what you said for the listening audience?” It does not matter whether the person being interviewed lays out his or her case such as.

Using the example of Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. Mentioning the lies told about the WMDs. Pointing out that the CIA admitted openly it was fabricating Bin Laden tapes. Mentioning all of the press reports of Bin Laden having died years ago. Pointing out how the story continually changed.

All of this is talked over and ignored and the person is more or less mocked as some sort of loony for even suggesting this all faked.

The viewing audience do not see themselves as a loony so they chuckle along with the interviewer.

To add to this farce the US Government now claims they had the home in question under surveillance by the CIA for months yet in all of that time did not take a single picture of Osama Bin Laden entering or leaving.

They claim there was none which begs the question, how did they conclude he was in there?[/quote]

As someone who was on the losing end of a media war I most definitely understand the disconnect between real and reported. What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years. We just don’t work that way. People will form coalitions to further their own personal agenda, but they will change the allies when the circumstances change. Except Borg and Chuck Norris, of course.

How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk. That fits my experience of bystander and math major (analytical thinking and all that) who saw the details of the sausage-making process much better than alternatives.

[all]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance]It interesting how the media tries to promote the narrative as advanced by the United States Government. It very much the same tactics used when people questioned the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

They appear to be shocked when a person they interview suggests this all a psy-ops.

As in “what? Are you serious? You really believe this was fabricated?” They then totally ignore the lack of evidence and just persist in this vein.

“You really can not be serious!? Can you repeat what you said for the listening audience?” It does not matter whether the person being interviewed lays out his or her case such as.

Using the example of Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. Mentioning the lies told about the WMDs. Pointing out that the CIA admitted openly it was fabricating Bin Laden tapes. Mentioning all of the press reports of Bin Laden having died years ago. Pointing out how the story continually changed.

All of this is talked over and ignored and the person is more or less mocked as some sort of loony for even suggesting this all faked.

The viewing audience do not see themselves as a loony so they chuckle along with the interviewer.

To add to this farce the US Government now claims they had the home in question under surveillance by the CIA for months yet in all of that time did not take a single picture of Osama Bin Laden entering or leaving.

They claim there was none which begs the question, how did they conclude he was in there?[/quote]

As someone who was on the losing end of a media war I most definitely understand the disconnect between real and reported. What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years. We just don’t work that way. People will form coalitions to further their own personal agenda, but they will change the allies when the circumstances change. Except Borg and Chuck Norris, of course.

How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk. That fits my experience of bystander and math major (analytical thinking and all that) who saw the details of the sausage-making process much better than alternatives.

[all]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance]It interesting how the media tries to promote the narrative as advanced by the United States Government. It very much the same tactics used when people questioned the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

They appear to be shocked when a person they interview suggests this all a psy-ops.

As in “what? Are you serious? You really believe this was fabricated?” They then totally ignore the lack of evidence and just persist in this vein.

“You really can not be serious!? Can you repeat what you said for the listening audience?” It does not matter whether the person being interviewed lays out his or her case such as.

Using the example of Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. Mentioning the lies told about the WMDs. Pointing out that the CIA admitted openly it was fabricating Bin Laden tapes. Mentioning all of the press reports of Bin Laden having died years ago. Pointing out how the story continually changed.

All of this is talked over and ignored and the person is more or less mocked as some sort of loony for even suggesting this all faked.

The viewing audience do not see themselves as a loony so they chuckle along with the interviewer.

To add to this farce the US Government now claims they had the home in question under surveillance by the CIA for months yet in all of that time did not take a single picture of Osama Bin Laden entering or leaving.

They claim there was none which begs the question, how did they conclude he was in there?[/quote]

As someone who was on the losing end of a media war I most definitely understand the disconnect between real and reported. What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years. We just don’t work that way. People will form coalitions to further their own personal agenda, but they will change the allies when the circumstances change. Except Borg and Chuck Norris, of course.

How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk. That fits my experience of bystander and math major (analytical thinking and all that) who saw the details of the sausage-making process much better than alternatives.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha][What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years.[/quote]

How about one called “Al Qeada”;) I mean come on, it does not get more comic book super villain than that. We seem to have official state sanctioned conspiracies. Of the every present Muslim menace that seems to be always hiding in important geo-strategic areas that were mentioned in think tanks as key areas for other reasons. And of course, we are invading, occupying and drone bombing multiple countries, while killing countless innocents – to root out this nefarious group to protect americans from future attacks. When we know damn well this type of action inflames “extremism” and serves as a recruiting tool. But, we don’t want to release a picture because it might inflame passions!

Now, you can take several different views on this. You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

The secret “cabal” is not secret. It’s the “western” hegemonic capitalist imperialism system, centered in the US, with the military, intelligence agencies , think tanks(economic and foreign policy) and banking/currency system and web of core corporations that surround it. This body constitutes a unified whole and can be called “they”. The over-arching goal is to control political entities, major resource deposits and currency systems – and of course “narrative”. “They” tend to set up a good verse evil narrative for their naive population.

Global hegemony takes years of planning and logistics constantly change but the core goal remains They don’t call it hegemony for nothing. This requires constant conspiring coupled with public perception management not to upset the morals of population. Back in early Rome they would conquer for the glory of it. When Christianity started to spread the population started require a “casus belli” or pretext because collective morals changed. I assume this required a new level of propaganda to achieve imperial goals.

[quote=captcha]How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk[/quote]

Sure, I can accept that. But we still have the reports of the “compound” being cased for months. This stake-out seems to have yielded no proof. So, I guess you could say it was a pretty ballsy move especially in a country were the public is getting increasingly angry and protesting for innocents being killed by accident. I mean what is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand it is for a greater cause then there little unimportant, brown, muslim lives!

Every where you look you have changing stories, spurious rational and just general sense of palpable bullshit that goes along with this comic book ending.

.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha][What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years.[/quote]

How about one called “Al Qeada”;) I mean come on, it does not get more comic book super villain than that. We seem to have official state sanctioned conspiracies. Of the every present Muslim menace that seems to be always hiding in important geo-strategic areas that were mentioned in think tanks as key areas for other reasons. And of course, we are invading, occupying and drone bombing multiple countries, while killing countless innocents – to root out this nefarious group to protect americans from future attacks. When we know damn well this type of action inflames “extremism” and serves as a recruiting tool. But, we don’t want to release a picture because it might inflame passions!

Now, you can take several different views on this. You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

The secret “cabal” is not secret. It’s the “western” hegemonic capitalist imperialism system, centered in the US, with the military, intelligence agencies , think tanks(economic and foreign policy) and banking/currency system and web of core corporations that surround it. This body constitutes a unified whole and can be called “they”. The over-arching goal is to control political entities, major resource deposits and currency systems – and of course “narrative”. “They” tend to set up a good verse evil narrative for their naive population.

Global hegemony takes years of planning and logistics constantly change but the core goal remains They don’t call it hegemony for nothing. This requires constant conspiring coupled with public perception management not to upset the morals of population. Back in early Rome they would conquer for the glory of it. When Christianity started to spread the population started require a “casus belli” or pretext because collective morals changed. I assume this required a new level of propaganda to achieve imperial goals.

[quote=captcha]How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk[/quote]

Sure, I can accept that. But we still have the reports of the “compound” being cased for months. This stake-out seems to have yielded no proof. So, I guess you could say it was a pretty ballsy move especially in a country were the public is getting increasingly angry and protesting for innocents being killed by accident. I mean what is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand it is for a greater cause then there little unimportant, brown, muslim lives!

Every where you look you have changing stories, spurious rational and just general sense of palpable bullshit that goes along with this comic book ending.

.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha][What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years.[/quote]

How about one called “Al Qeada”;) I mean come on, it does not get more comic book super villain than that. We seem to have official state sanctioned conspiracies. Of the every present Muslim menace that seems to be always hiding in important geo-strategic areas that were mentioned in think tanks as key areas for other reasons. And of course, we are invading, occupying and drone bombing multiple countries, while killing countless innocents – to root out this nefarious group to protect americans from future attacks. When we know damn well this type of action inflames “extremism” and serves as a recruiting tool. But, we don’t want to release a picture because it might inflame passions!

Now, you can take several different views on this. You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

The secret “cabal” is not secret. It’s the “western” hegemonic capitalist imperialism system, centered in the US, with the military, intelligence agencies , think tanks(economic and foreign policy) and banking/currency system and web of core corporations that surround it. This body constitutes a unified whole and can be called “they”. The over-arching goal is to control political entities, major resource deposits and currency systems – and of course “narrative”. “They” tend to set up a good verse evil narrative for their naive population.

Global hegemony takes years of planning and logistics constantly change but the core goal remains They don’t call it hegemony for nothing. This requires constant conspiring coupled with public perception management not to upset the morals of population. Back in early Rome they would conquer for the glory of it. When Christianity started to spread the population started require a “casus belli” or pretext because collective morals changed. I assume this required a new level of propaganda to achieve imperial goals.

[quote=captcha]How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk[/quote]

Sure, I can accept that. But we still have the reports of the “compound” being cased for months. This stake-out seems to have yielded no proof. So, I guess you could say it was a pretty ballsy move especially in a country were the public is getting increasingly angry and protesting for innocents being killed by accident. I mean what is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand it is for a greater cause then there little unimportant, brown, muslim lives!

Every where you look you have changing stories, spurious rational and just general sense of palpable bullshit that goes along with this comic book ending.

.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha][What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years.[/quote]

How about one called “Al Qeada”;) I mean come on, it does not get more comic book super villain than that. We seem to have official state sanctioned conspiracies. Of the every present Muslim menace that seems to be always hiding in important geo-strategic areas that were mentioned in think tanks as key areas for other reasons. And of course, we are invading, occupying and drone bombing multiple countries, while killing countless innocents – to root out this nefarious group to protect americans from future attacks. When we know damn well this type of action inflames “extremism” and serves as a recruiting tool. But, we don’t want to release a picture because it might inflame passions!

Now, you can take several different views on this. You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

The secret “cabal” is not secret. It’s the “western” hegemonic capitalist imperialism system, centered in the US, with the military, intelligence agencies , think tanks(economic and foreign policy) and banking/currency system and web of core corporations that surround it. This body constitutes a unified whole and can be called “they”. The over-arching goal is to control political entities, major resource deposits and currency systems – and of course “narrative”. “They” tend to set up a good verse evil narrative for their naive population.

Global hegemony takes years of planning and logistics constantly change but the core goal remains They don’t call it hegemony for nothing. This requires constant conspiring coupled with public perception management not to upset the morals of population. Back in early Rome they would conquer for the glory of it. When Christianity started to spread the population started require a “casus belli” or pretext because collective morals changed. I assume this required a new level of propaganda to achieve imperial goals.

[quote=captcha]How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk[/quote]

Sure, I can accept that. But we still have the reports of the “compound” being cased for months. This stake-out seems to have yielded no proof. So, I guess you could say it was a pretty ballsy move especially in a country were the public is getting increasingly angry and protesting for innocents being killed by accident. I mean what is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand it is for a greater cause then there little unimportant, brown, muslim lives!

Every where you look you have changing stories, spurious rational and just general sense of palpable bullshit that goes along with this comic book ending.

.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha][What I laugh at is the notion of a secret entity capable of planning and executing conspiracies that involve a lot of people and span years.[/quote]

How about one called “Al Qeada”;) I mean come on, it does not get more comic book super villain than that. We seem to have official state sanctioned conspiracies. Of the every present Muslim menace that seems to be always hiding in important geo-strategic areas that were mentioned in think tanks as key areas for other reasons. And of course, we are invading, occupying and drone bombing multiple countries, while killing countless innocents – to root out this nefarious group to protect americans from future attacks. When we know damn well this type of action inflames “extremism” and serves as a recruiting tool. But, we don’t want to release a picture because it might inflame passions!

Now, you can take several different views on this. You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

The secret “cabal” is not secret. It’s the “western” hegemonic capitalist imperialism system, centered in the US, with the military, intelligence agencies , think tanks(economic and foreign policy) and banking/currency system and web of core corporations that surround it. This body constitutes a unified whole and can be called “they”. The over-arching goal is to control political entities, major resource deposits and currency systems – and of course “narrative”. “They” tend to set up a good verse evil narrative for their naive population.

Global hegemony takes years of planning and logistics constantly change but the core goal remains They don’t call it hegemony for nothing. This requires constant conspiring coupled with public perception management not to upset the morals of population. Back in early Rome they would conquer for the glory of it. When Christianity started to spread the population started require a “casus belli” or pretext because collective morals changed. I assume this required a new level of propaganda to achieve imperial goals.

[quote=captcha]How did ‘they’ conclude he was in there? According to the reports, ‘they’ did not. ‘They’ concluded an important person likely lives there – bin Laden’s courier at the very least – and took the risk[/quote]

Sure, I can accept that. But we still have the reports of the “compound” being cased for months. This stake-out seems to have yielded no proof. So, I guess you could say it was a pretty ballsy move especially in a country were the public is getting increasingly angry and protesting for innocents being killed by accident. I mean what is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand it is for a greater cause then there little unimportant, brown, muslim lives!

Every where you look you have changing stories, spurious rational and just general sense of palpable bullshit that goes along with this comic book ending.

.

[briansd1]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance] You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

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There will always be a ruling class. There’s nothing we can do about that.

I agree with you that the “justice” that the American military tries to adjudicate around the world is mostly bullshit.

We are defending our interests as we perceive them to be (oftentimes we are wrong and act detrimentally to our own best national interests). There’s very little that is just or fair about our behavior.

As an American, I benefit; so I’ll go along with the system. But I’m not deluded enough to believe it’s a good vs. evil fight.

[briansd1]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance] You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

[/quote]

There will always be a ruling class. There’s nothing we can do about that.

I agree with you that the “justice” that the American military tries to adjudicate around the world is mostly bullshit.

We are defending our interests as we perceive them to be (oftentimes we are wrong and act detrimentally to our own best national interests). There’s very little that is just or fair about our behavior.

As an American, I benefit; so I’ll go along with the system. But I’m not deluded enough to believe it’s a good vs. evil fight.

[briansd1]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance] You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

[/quote]

There will always be a ruling class. There’s nothing we can do about that.

I agree with you that the “justice” that the American military tries to adjudicate around the world is mostly bullshit.

We are defending our interests as we perceive them to be (oftentimes we are wrong and act detrimentally to our own best national interests). There’s very little that is just or fair about our behavior.

As an American, I benefit; so I’ll go along with the system. But I’m not deluded enough to believe it’s a good vs. evil fight.

[briansd1]

[quote=CognitiveDissonance] You can take a anthropological view of past civilizations, that there is always a ruling class. And that ruling class always feeds the population propaganda for desired behavior – essentially myth making. Which is kind of inline with a Marxian view of class struggle. Where the upper class always conspires against the lower classes.

[/quote]

There will always be a ruling class. There’s nothing we can do about that.

I agree with you that the “justice” that the American military tries to adjudicate around the world is mostly bullshit.

We are defending our interests as we perceive them to be (oftentimes we are wrong and act detrimentally to our own best national interests). There’s very little that is just or fair about our behavior.

As an American, I benefit; so I’ll go along with the system. But I’m not deluded enough to believe it’s a good vs. evil fight.

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