OT: Battle Ground Zero: Murrieta: Invasion of America

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Hobie]I dunno. Call them whatever you want, but I think the Murrietta situation quite accurately represents the feeling of the vast majority of legal immigrants and natural born Americans. Be nice if more of those folks voted.

It’s like a stranger walking in your front door sitting down to dinner curling up on your couch and saying, “whats for breakfast?” Just because they are here doesn’t make it right. or legal, ahem.[/quote]

what would Jesus do…

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Hobie]I dunno. Call them whatever you want, but I think the Murrietta situation quite accurately represents the feeling of the vast majority of legal immigrants and natural born Americans. Be nice if more of those folks voted.

It’s like a stranger walking in your front door sitting down to dinner curling up on your couch and saying, “whats for breakfast?” Just because they are here doesn’t make it right. or legal, ahem.[/quote]

what would Jesus do…[/quote]

Loaves and fishes, baby!

[scaredyclassic]

He’d rattle the bus and yell at kids?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic] it’s hotter there. newer. and just lower class all around. if think most people would beleive if you needed to gather an angry mob on short notice, you’d do better in murrieta than etemecula.
[/quote]

Sounds oddly familiar.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]He’d rattle the bus and yell at kids?[/quote]

Are there video links of the demonstration? I’ve haven’t really followed the story, except a little on national news.

[paramount]

Protester shouting matches in Murrieta videos (they play in sequence):

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/04/murrieta-california-border-patrol-immigration-protests-undocumented-immigrants-july-fourth/12224305/

[Hobie]

what would Jesus do…

Intent my friend, intent. Hey, isn’t What would Jesus do? now trademarked. Hmm So much blending of concepts..

[Coronita]

I was talking to my colleague, who is a double degreed masters EE/CS on H1-B, really smart guy and has a lot of great ideas that we would like to do on his own… He’s still waiting for his greencard (been about 3-4 years)…Unfortunately, the company he’s working for is not doing so well, and if he get’s laidoff, it really messes up his visa status.. (at least he doesn’t have to start over, like it use to be)…

I asked him what we was going to do if he gets laidoff… Jokingly he said…”Well, maybe I can leave the country, and come back through the south border as a refugee. Afterall, I might be able to get my greencard faster going that route than this route as a priority 2 H1-B high skill tech worker…”.. Yes, it was tongue and cheek. But it was kinda funny…Sad…but funny….

[Doofrat]

At a company I used to work for, there was an Indian DBA I worked with remotely who was on the East Coast. One time when I tried to contact him, he got back to me saying his schedule was different as he was now in Australia. Turns out there was some issue with his Visa, but no worries, apparently the company had an office in Australia where they would send these guys and Australia was happy to take them.

My Aunt and Uncle had a Russian student living with them. When she finished college, her visa expired and she had to go back to Russia. She couldn’t get back in the US on a work permit for years. She went through years and years of hassle to get back in.

But for some reason, we let in a bunch of illegal and undeucated people in through the Southern border with no issues?

[Coronita]

Unrelated. What I find really interesting is some of the H1-B workers here complain about US companies outsourcing work back to India and China….

I wonder if at times this country really cares about growing more educated people in this country, or would it rather prefer keeping educated people to a few and growing an uneducated majority class.

Some of the immigration laws are just pretty wacked.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=flu]Well, according to CNN, using the “i-word” (illegal) is un-american… It’s as bad as using the n-word…

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/04/opinion/kohn-immigration-words/

I think we went from the term “illegal aliens” to “illegal immigrants” to be more PC….But I suppose “illegal” is now un-PC…

We’ll probably change the term to something like “spontaneous extended stay visitors”….

I guess it’s just CNN trying to show its (fake) “racial sensitivity” …..Typical CNN…con news network…[/quote]

No. The political correct word now is “undocumented immigrant”. Pretty soon, murder is undocumented death and rape is undocumented sex…once they are all legalized, then all is well.

[UCGal]

Back to the Murrietta protests.

Correct me where I’m wrong:

– The buses being blocked were ICE buses with undocumented folks who’d been CAUGHT. The buses were taking them from one Homeland Security facility that was overcrowded, to a less crowded facility.

– The ICE folks weren’t going to just release these detainees. They were going to process them, schedule hearing dates, and follow the legal due process procedures.

– After processing at Murrietta they were going to be shipped off to other ICE facilities, and if there were sponsors available, some of these folks *might* be able to be released to custody of the sponsors (in other locations) to await their deportation hearing.

Did I get this right? This is what I’ve been reading.

Why are folks who are theoretically concerned about the “illegal” aspect of the border crossings now trying to circumvent the law and order process? Why aren’t they supporting the detaining of these immigrants while their legal status us determined?

If the block enough buses – the ICE will be forced to release them onto the streets since they have no room for them in the facilities in Texas.

Seems like if you’re for law an order, you should be allowing the Homeland Security folks to actually follow the laws and provide due process – even if that means housing detainees at the INS facility in Murrietta.

[livinincali]

[quote=flu]Unrelated. What I find really interesting is some of the H1-B workers here complain about US companies outsourcing work back to India and China….

I wonder if at times this country really cares about growing more educated people in this country, or would it rather prefer keeping educated people to a few and growing an uneducated majority class.

Some of the immigration laws are just pretty wacked.[/quote]

It pretty much proves the point that immigration is about vote buying. Any rational person would require any immigrants to have skills and/or fit a profile of need before allowing them to come here.

It’s always kind of funny to see the people arguing for a living wage also arguing for immigration reform (usually some form of amnesty). What do you think is going to happen when you increase the supply of low skilled labor in excess of the amount of jobs available for low skilled labor. Obviously the supply demand imbalance forces wages down. Then of course you try to fix that imbalance with minimum wage proposals but that doesn’t change the fact that there are too many low skilled workers in this country already.

Hey I don’t blame the illegal immigrants they’re just trying to do what’s best for them, but I have no problem with doing what’s best for us and that is deporting them.

[livinincali]

[quote=UCGal]Back to the Murrietta protests.

Correct me where I’m wrong:

– The buses being blocked were ICE buses with undocumented folks who’d been CAUGHT. The buses were taking them from one Homeland Security facility that was overcrowded, to a less crowded facility.

– The ICE folks weren’t going to just release these detainees. They were going to process them, schedule hearing dates, and follow the legal due process procedures.

– After processing at Murrietta they were going to be shipped off to other ICE facilities, and if there were sponsors available, some of these folks *might* be able to be released to custody of the sponsors (in other locations) to await their deportation hearing.

Did I get this right? This is what I’ve been reading.

Why are folks who are theoretically concerned about the “illegal” aspect of the border crossings now trying to circumvent the law and order process? Why aren’t they supporting the detaining of these immigrants while their legal status us determined?

If the block enough buses – the ICE will be forced to release them onto the streets since they have no room for them in the facilities in Texas.

Seems like if you’re for law an order, you should be allowing the Homeland Security folks to actually follow the laws and provide due process – even if that means housing detainees at the INS facility in Murrietta.[/quote]

Yeah I would agree with that. What the protestors did doesn’t exactly get them what they want. It probably hinders the process of deporting them more than it helps. The problem I have with the situation why don’t we just streamline the deportation process. It’s expensive to transport these illegal immigrants around. It’s expensive to have to go through a long processing process and then go before the judge.

And the biggest issue I have with this situation is that right after the president decides to execute the DREAM act by executive order we got a huge influx of illegal immigrants. Whether the message got lost in translation or not, the Central American’s have certainly taken it as an open invitation to illegally immigrant to America.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of H1B, I’m not a big fan of that either. Does your colleage, for instance, provide some type of unique skill that no American citizen can provide? I doubt it. The H1B program is clearly a scam used by corporations to hire cheap technical labor.

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