OMG – Someone please control Christine O’donnell

[gandalf]

jstoesz, the issue we’re talking about isn’t federal spending or reducing pork for corporations and unions.

It involves the teaching of Biblical Creationism in public school science class and decades of settled law surrounding the Establishment Clause that LIMIT the reach of BOTH federal and state governments (and all local governments that derive their powers from the state) — in matters of faith.

Science is science, the rational inquiry into a physical, experimental and experiential world. The Book of Genesis is religion. Every religion has a ‘Creation Story’. No amount of deception and legalisms will transform Adam and Eve into ‘Science’.

What our Constitution, Amendments and legal traditions in this country have upheld for decades, and what the right-wing fucktards are challenging, is the right to indoctrinate my children with their Christian beliefs.

Now, I may decide to raise my children a certain way, take them to church every Sunday. That’s fine. I want them to be good kids. I may even believe in Adam and Eve. But I don’t have the right to impose my religious beliefs on other kids in that classroom.

THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.

[gandalf]

Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.

Like the Housing Bubble, we would get a ‘Family-Values Bubble’. Our public education system would be replaced with right-wing madrassas anonymously funded by billionaires — for those who embrace Christ.

[gandalf]

Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.

Like the Housing Bubble, we would get a ‘Family-Values Bubble’. Our public education system would be replaced with right-wing madrassas anonymously funded by billionaires — for those who embrace Christ.

[gandalf]

Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.

Like the Housing Bubble, we would get a ‘Family-Values Bubble’. Our public education system would be replaced with right-wing madrassas anonymously funded by billionaires — for those who embrace Christ.

[gandalf]

Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.

Like the Housing Bubble, we would get a ‘Family-Values Bubble’. Our public education system would be replaced with right-wing madrassas anonymously funded by billionaires — for those who embrace Christ.

[gandalf]

Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.

Like the Housing Bubble, we would get a ‘Family-Values Bubble’. Our public education system would be replaced with right-wing madrassas anonymously funded by billionaires — for those who embrace Christ.

[jstoesz]

you guys are missing the point. What is this obsession about determining what my kid should learn in school? I do not want to tell you what your child should learn in school.

A school could teach the Epic of Gilgamesh for all I care. (I think mine actually did) It is not my business what you want your child to learn…or not learn.

If you want to keep religion from people, you are as much a fascist as someone who wants to push it on someone. Stop making government take a side on the issue, and we will have a true separation. Ambivalence is the solution not prohibition.

[quote]Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.[/quote]

Hah. That is perfect.

The banks operated in a vacuum…and the only thing that enabled them to do so much damage was the reduction in regulations. Totally…yeah…its all the regulation removals fault…definitely…and those right wing retards…

Not only is this a complete non sequitur, it is worse. It is simple minded.

[jstoesz]

you guys are missing the point. What is this obsession about determining what my kid should learn in school? I do not want to tell you what your child should learn in school.

A school could teach the Epic of Gilgamesh for all I care. (I think mine actually did) It is not my business what you want your child to learn…or not learn.

If you want to keep religion from people, you are as much a fascist as someone who wants to push it on someone. Stop making government take a side on the issue, and we will have a true separation. Ambivalence is the solution not prohibition.

[quote]Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.[/quote]

Hah. That is perfect.

The banks operated in a vacuum…and the only thing that enabled them to do so much damage was the reduction in regulations. Totally…yeah…its all the regulation removals fault…definitely…and those right wing retards…

Not only is this a complete non sequitur, it is worse. It is simple minded.

[jstoesz]

you guys are missing the point. What is this obsession about determining what my kid should learn in school? I do not want to tell you what your child should learn in school.

A school could teach the Epic of Gilgamesh for all I care. (I think mine actually did) It is not my business what you want your child to learn…or not learn.

If you want to keep religion from people, you are as much a fascist as someone who wants to push it on someone. Stop making government take a side on the issue, and we will have a true separation. Ambivalence is the solution not prohibition.

[quote]Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.[/quote]

Hah. That is perfect.

The banks operated in a vacuum…and the only thing that enabled them to do so much damage was the reduction in regulations. Totally…yeah…its all the regulation removals fault…definitely…and those right wing retards…

Not only is this a complete non sequitur, it is worse. It is simple minded.

[jstoesz]

you guys are missing the point. What is this obsession about determining what my kid should learn in school? I do not want to tell you what your child should learn in school.

A school could teach the Epic of Gilgamesh for all I care. (I think mine actually did) It is not my business what you want your child to learn…or not learn.

If you want to keep religion from people, you are as much a fascist as someone who wants to push it on someone. Stop making government take a side on the issue, and we will have a true separation. Ambivalence is the solution not prohibition.

[quote]Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.[/quote]

Hah. That is perfect.

The banks operated in a vacuum…and the only thing that enabled them to do so much damage was the reduction in regulations. Totally…yeah…its all the regulation removals fault…definitely…and those right wing retards…

Not only is this a complete non sequitur, it is worse. It is simple minded.

[jstoesz]

you guys are missing the point. What is this obsession about determining what my kid should learn in school? I do not want to tell you what your child should learn in school.

A school could teach the Epic of Gilgamesh for all I care. (I think mine actually did) It is not my business what you want your child to learn…or not learn.

If you want to keep religion from people, you are as much a fascist as someone who wants to push it on someone. Stop making government take a side on the issue, and we will have a true separation. Ambivalence is the solution not prohibition.

[quote]Those who would seek to eliminate “Separation of Church and State” in the name of local control can look to the consequences of eliminating oversight of the financial industry.[/quote]

Hah. That is perfect.

The banks operated in a vacuum…and the only thing that enabled them to do so much damage was the reduction in regulations. Totally…yeah…its all the regulation removals fault…definitely…and those right wing retards…

Not only is this a complete non sequitur, it is worse. It is simple minded.

[Anonymous]

[quote]It had snowed in London.[/quote]
You are joking, right?

Using one outlier sample to prove/disprove something is about as unscientific and biased as it gets.

But I suppose Chinese records from 1470 are so much more reliable than modern scientific methods.

You can grow grapes anywhere. It’s just much harder to make certain types of wine in cold climates. Perhaps the English used to tolerate lousy wine until it became more feasible to import good stuff. They still tolerate lousy food.

[Anonymous]

[quote]It had snowed in London.[/quote]
You are joking, right?

Using one outlier sample to prove/disprove something is about as unscientific and biased as it gets.

But I suppose Chinese records from 1470 are so much more reliable than modern scientific methods.

You can grow grapes anywhere. It’s just much harder to make certain types of wine in cold climates. Perhaps the English used to tolerate lousy wine until it became more feasible to import good stuff. They still tolerate lousy food.

[Anonymous]

[quote]It had snowed in London.[/quote]
You are joking, right?

Using one outlier sample to prove/disprove something is about as unscientific and biased as it gets.

But I suppose Chinese records from 1470 are so much more reliable than modern scientific methods.

You can grow grapes anywhere. It’s just much harder to make certain types of wine in cold climates. Perhaps the English used to tolerate lousy wine until it became more feasible to import good stuff. They still tolerate lousy food.

[Anonymous]

[quote]It had snowed in London.[/quote]
You are joking, right?

Using one outlier sample to prove/disprove something is about as unscientific and biased as it gets.

But I suppose Chinese records from 1470 are so much more reliable than modern scientific methods.

You can grow grapes anywhere. It’s just much harder to make certain types of wine in cold climates. Perhaps the English used to tolerate lousy wine until it became more feasible to import good stuff. They still tolerate lousy food.

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