OMG – Someone please control Christine O’donnell

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Can you explain which Judeo-Christian beliefs our laws are based on? I figured that would be the next logical argument. Many people (not you specifically aldante, but many people taking your position) often state that our laws our based on the 10 commandments. I call bullshit on that. Bad Astronomy has an amazing post obliterating that argument. I’ll summarize here, but please read the full article for your separation of church and state enjoyment.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The Constitution is clear that you can have as many gods as you want, or no gods at all.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
We have no laws against art. Good thing too, otherwise the South Park wouldn’t be able to make fun of Jesus.

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. The Constitution is explicitly against this commandment. If you can say God hates fags, I can say that God is a cock-guzzling cuntface. That’s how it works.

Remember the sabbath day
We do actually have laws on this commandment.. you can’t buy liquor on Sundays in some states. But in most states you can, and no one is given a ticket for working on the holy day.

Honour thy father and thy mother
Perhaps up until 18 a child should do this, but you can’t throw a child in jail for disobeying this commandment. Maybe timeout in the corner, but we have no state-sanctioned punishment for children disobeying their parents. And once they’re 18, fuggetaboutit.

Thou shalt not kill.
Well, I have to give them this one. But all civilized societies, Christian or not, have laws for this. It’s also perfectly legal to kill under some circumstances (defense, field of war, etc), but I don’t see those allowances in the commandment.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
There are a few laws with respect to this, but we all know that adultery and divorce are commonplace — and perfectly legal — in America.

Thou shalt not steal.
The commandments score another one here! No argument from me, stealing is clearly illegal. But again, stealing is also illegal in many non-Christian societies, so we can’t assume that our laws were derived directly from this commandment.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
The law calls this perjury, and you can get in a lot of legal trouble for doing so. This commandment scores a point.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Wanting things is not against the law in America.

There you have it. Bad Astronomy gives the commandments a score of 3.5 out of 10 with respect to our legal system being based on them. It’s hilarious to me that the religious right fights all the time to have the 10 commandments placed at courthouse steps when not even 4 of the 10 commandments are used for our laws. So tell me again which of the Judeo-Christian values our nation was founded upon?

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[quote=jstoesz]I do not think the government should have any say about what is taught in schools…back to that pesky liberty thing again.
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But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.

There is such an easy answer to this bullshit: If you want your kids to learn creationism over science, SEND THEM TO PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS!!!

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[quote=jstoesz]I do not think the government should have any say about what is taught in schools…back to that pesky liberty thing again.
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But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.

There is such an easy answer to this bullshit: If you want your kids to learn creationism over science, SEND THEM TO PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS!!!

[Shadowfax]

[quote=jstoesz]I do not think the government should have any say about what is taught in schools…back to that pesky liberty thing again.
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But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.

There is such an easy answer to this bullshit: If you want your kids to learn creationism over science, SEND THEM TO PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS!!!

[Shadowfax]

[quote=jstoesz]I do not think the government should have any say about what is taught in schools…back to that pesky liberty thing again.
[/quote]

But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.

There is such an easy answer to this bullshit: If you want your kids to learn creationism over science, SEND THEM TO PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS!!!

[Shadowfax]

[quote=jstoesz]I do not think the government should have any say about what is taught in schools…back to that pesky liberty thing again.
[/quote]

But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.

There is such an easy answer to this bullshit: If you want your kids to learn creationism over science, SEND THEM TO PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS!!!

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afx: as ever, you provide the right combination of intellect and humor. loved the 10 commandments redux.

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afx: as ever, you provide the right combination of intellect and humor. loved the 10 commandments redux.

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afx: as ever, you provide the right combination of intellect and humor. loved the 10 commandments redux.

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afx: as ever, you provide the right combination of intellect and humor. loved the 10 commandments redux.

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afx: as ever, you provide the right combination of intellect and humor. loved the 10 commandments redux.

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This is all an aside, but too good a topic to pass up.

[quote]But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.[/quote]

I consider it very important to send my kids to a school that has a curriculum I approve of. I will be sending my kids to private school, God (or whomever you choose) willing. I would like to extend that choice to everyone. Currently, we only have one option on the menu (at least only one that is economically feasible). A watered down PC mush head education. If I want my kids to be incapable of critical thought, I will go for public schools.

[jstoesz]

This is all an aside, but too good a topic to pass up.

[quote]But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.[/quote]

I consider it very important to send my kids to a school that has a curriculum I approve of. I will be sending my kids to private school, God (or whomever you choose) willing. I would like to extend that choice to everyone. Currently, we only have one option on the menu (at least only one that is economically feasible). A watered down PC mush head education. If I want my kids to be incapable of critical thought, I will go for public schools.

[jstoesz]

This is all an aside, but too good a topic to pass up.

[quote]But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.[/quote]

I consider it very important to send my kids to a school that has a curriculum I approve of. I will be sending my kids to private school, God (or whomever you choose) willing. I would like to extend that choice to everyone. Currently, we only have one option on the menu (at least only one that is economically feasible). A watered down PC mush head education. If I want my kids to be incapable of critical thought, I will go for public schools.

[jstoesz]

This is all an aside, but too good a topic to pass up.

[quote]But you probably give a damn that the schools in your district (if you care about them–I didn’t until I had kids attending) receive their share of federal funding for education. And if they receive that federal funding, they cannot promote one religion –or religion versus science–over another.[/quote]

I consider it very important to send my kids to a school that has a curriculum I approve of. I will be sending my kids to private school, God (or whomever you choose) willing. I would like to extend that choice to everyone. Currently, we only have one option on the menu (at least only one that is economically feasible). A watered down PC mush head education. If I want my kids to be incapable of critical thought, I will go for public schools.

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