Off Topic: “Myth of Consensus explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

[jficquette]

[quote=yellow8yellowm]1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.[/quote]

Another factor is it gives them something else to blame on “big business” and Republicans.

They don’t see to care that the biggest polluter on earth is communist China or that they are burning down the rain forest in Brazil to make charcoal.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=arraya]I’m not talking about this specific issue. Which I have my own issues on how it is presented to the public. It’s all of your post’s. You stance on oil, GW and Obama is right out of right wing talk radio playbook.

Show some individuality.

This planet is an ecological disaster on many levels and would take many many books for you to understand the breadth of problems. GW is not the scariest monster at our villages door. At least not in the respect that we can do anything about it.

The decline of world oil production will take care of even the most aggressive climate scientists wishes on carbon reduction. We should start terminal decline somewhere between late 09 to mid 2011. However, it renders our fractional reserve, grow or die, fiat based economic model useless.

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Peak oil is another myth. The world will have quit using fossil fuels for primary electrical generation way before we quit looking for new reserves.

Democrats use peak oil as an excuse to prevent exploration of new reserves in America. They rather pretend there is no oil to find.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=arraya]I’m not talking about this specific issue. Which I have my own issues on how it is presented to the public. It’s all of your post’s. You stance on oil, GW and Obama is right out of right wing talk radio playbook.

Show some individuality.

This planet is an ecological disaster on many levels and would take many many books for you to understand the breadth of problems. GW is not the scariest monster at our villages door. At least not in the respect that we can do anything about it.

The decline of world oil production will take care of even the most aggressive climate scientists wishes on carbon reduction. We should start terminal decline somewhere between late 09 to mid 2011. However, it renders our fractional reserve, grow or die, fiat based economic model useless.

[/quote]

Peak oil is another myth. The world will have quit using fossil fuels for primary electrical generation way before we quit looking for new reserves.

Democrats use peak oil as an excuse to prevent exploration of new reserves in America. They rather pretend there is no oil to find.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=arraya]I’m not talking about this specific issue. Which I have my own issues on how it is presented to the public. It’s all of your post’s. You stance on oil, GW and Obama is right out of right wing talk radio playbook.

Show some individuality.

This planet is an ecological disaster on many levels and would take many many books for you to understand the breadth of problems. GW is not the scariest monster at our villages door. At least not in the respect that we can do anything about it.

The decline of world oil production will take care of even the most aggressive climate scientists wishes on carbon reduction. We should start terminal decline somewhere between late 09 to mid 2011. However, it renders our fractional reserve, grow or die, fiat based economic model useless.

[/quote]

Peak oil is another myth. The world will have quit using fossil fuels for primary electrical generation way before we quit looking for new reserves.

Democrats use peak oil as an excuse to prevent exploration of new reserves in America. They rather pretend there is no oil to find.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=arraya]I’m not talking about this specific issue. Which I have my own issues on how it is presented to the public. It’s all of your post’s. You stance on oil, GW and Obama is right out of right wing talk radio playbook.

Show some individuality.

This planet is an ecological disaster on many levels and would take many many books for you to understand the breadth of problems. GW is not the scariest monster at our villages door. At least not in the respect that we can do anything about it.

The decline of world oil production will take care of even the most aggressive climate scientists wishes on carbon reduction. We should start terminal decline somewhere between late 09 to mid 2011. However, it renders our fractional reserve, grow or die, fiat based economic model useless.

[/quote]

Peak oil is another myth. The world will have quit using fossil fuels for primary electrical generation way before we quit looking for new reserves.

Democrats use peak oil as an excuse to prevent exploration of new reserves in America. They rather pretend there is no oil to find.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=arraya]I’m not talking about this specific issue. Which I have my own issues on how it is presented to the public. It’s all of your post’s. You stance on oil, GW and Obama is right out of right wing talk radio playbook.

Show some individuality.

This planet is an ecological disaster on many levels and would take many many books for you to understand the breadth of problems. GW is not the scariest monster at our villages door. At least not in the respect that we can do anything about it.

The decline of world oil production will take care of even the most aggressive climate scientists wishes on carbon reduction. We should start terminal decline somewhere between late 09 to mid 2011. However, it renders our fractional reserve, grow or die, fiat based economic model useless.

[/quote]

Peak oil is another myth. The world will have quit using fossil fuels for primary electrical generation way before we quit looking for new reserves.

Democrats use peak oil as an excuse to prevent exploration of new reserves in America. They rather pretend there is no oil to find.

John

[blahblahblah]

Look carefully and see the mechanism at work. There are two teams that take turns managing USA Inc.

Team A: Makes you scared of terrorists so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there are some real terrorists that sometimes kill people but then again there are also car crashes (40000 die each year!) tornadoes and hurricanes and lightning and earthquakes and sharks that also kill people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of terrorists, okay?

Team B: Makes you scared of global warming so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there might be some truth that CO2 is warming up the atmosphere but of course there are also GMO foods, DU munitions, carcinogenic pesticides, heavy metals in our trash that leach into the groundwater, giant fields of decaying plastic waste in the ocean that kill untold millions of fish and marine animals, poisonous vaccines that also hurt people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of global warming, okay?

At any point in time a little over half of the population supports one team and a little less than half supports the other team. Whenever a new team is given control of USA, Inc., those supporters cheer like when their favorite football team wins and then they strut around and act really tough. Meanwhile the new management team commences another round of economic rape against them while they’re not even looking and they wonder why they’re working harder than their parents did but not taking as many vacations and they’re stressed out all the time because the prices keep going up and their health insurance benefits and pensions get cut again and on and on and on it goes…

[blahblahblah]

Look carefully and see the mechanism at work. There are two teams that take turns managing USA Inc.

Team A: Makes you scared of terrorists so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there are some real terrorists that sometimes kill people but then again there are also car crashes (40000 die each year!) tornadoes and hurricanes and lightning and earthquakes and sharks that also kill people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of terrorists, okay?

Team B: Makes you scared of global warming so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there might be some truth that CO2 is warming up the atmosphere but of course there are also GMO foods, DU munitions, carcinogenic pesticides, heavy metals in our trash that leach into the groundwater, giant fields of decaying plastic waste in the ocean that kill untold millions of fish and marine animals, poisonous vaccines that also hurt people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of global warming, okay?

At any point in time a little over half of the population supports one team and a little less than half supports the other team. Whenever a new team is given control of USA, Inc., those supporters cheer like when their favorite football team wins and then they strut around and act really tough. Meanwhile the new management team commences another round of economic rape against them while they’re not even looking and they wonder why they’re working harder than their parents did but not taking as many vacations and they’re stressed out all the time because the prices keep going up and their health insurance benefits and pensions get cut again and on and on and on it goes…

[blahblahblah]

Look carefully and see the mechanism at work. There are two teams that take turns managing USA Inc.

Team A: Makes you scared of terrorists so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there are some real terrorists that sometimes kill people but then again there are also car crashes (40000 die each year!) tornadoes and hurricanes and lightning and earthquakes and sharks that also kill people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of terrorists, okay?

Team B: Makes you scared of global warming so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there might be some truth that CO2 is warming up the atmosphere but of course there are also GMO foods, DU munitions, carcinogenic pesticides, heavy metals in our trash that leach into the groundwater, giant fields of decaying plastic waste in the ocean that kill untold millions of fish and marine animals, poisonous vaccines that also hurt people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of global warming, okay?

At any point in time a little over half of the population supports one team and a little less than half supports the other team. Whenever a new team is given control of USA, Inc., those supporters cheer like when their favorite football team wins and then they strut around and act really tough. Meanwhile the new management team commences another round of economic rape against them while they’re not even looking and they wonder why they’re working harder than their parents did but not taking as many vacations and they’re stressed out all the time because the prices keep going up and their health insurance benefits and pensions get cut again and on and on and on it goes…

[blahblahblah]

Look carefully and see the mechanism at work. There are two teams that take turns managing USA Inc.

Team A: Makes you scared of terrorists so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there are some real terrorists that sometimes kill people but then again there are also car crashes (40000 die each year!) tornadoes and hurricanes and lightning and earthquakes and sharks that also kill people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of terrorists, okay?

Team B: Makes you scared of global warming so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there might be some truth that CO2 is warming up the atmosphere but of course there are also GMO foods, DU munitions, carcinogenic pesticides, heavy metals in our trash that leach into the groundwater, giant fields of decaying plastic waste in the ocean that kill untold millions of fish and marine animals, poisonous vaccines that also hurt people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of global warming, okay?

At any point in time a little over half of the population supports one team and a little less than half supports the other team. Whenever a new team is given control of USA, Inc., those supporters cheer like when their favorite football team wins and then they strut around and act really tough. Meanwhile the new management team commences another round of economic rape against them while they’re not even looking and they wonder why they’re working harder than their parents did but not taking as many vacations and they’re stressed out all the time because the prices keep going up and their health insurance benefits and pensions get cut again and on and on and on it goes…

[blahblahblah]

Look carefully and see the mechanism at work. There are two teams that take turns managing USA Inc.

Team A: Makes you scared of terrorists so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there are some real terrorists that sometimes kill people but then again there are also car crashes (40000 die each year!) tornadoes and hurricanes and lightning and earthquakes and sharks that also kill people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of terrorists, okay?

Team B: Makes you scared of global warming so that you won’t complain when your civil liberties are taken away and your tax dollars are wasted on pointless wars of empire. Of course there might be some truth that CO2 is warming up the atmosphere but of course there are also GMO foods, DU munitions, carcinogenic pesticides, heavy metals in our trash that leach into the groundwater, giant fields of decaying plastic waste in the ocean that kill untold millions of fish and marine animals, poisonous vaccines that also hurt people but let’s just forget about them and be really scared of global warming, okay?

At any point in time a little over half of the population supports one team and a little less than half supports the other team. Whenever a new team is given control of USA, Inc., those supporters cheer like when their favorite football team wins and then they strut around and act really tough. Meanwhile the new management team commences another round of economic rape against them while they’re not even looking and they wonder why they’re working harder than their parents did but not taking as many vacations and they’re stressed out all the time because the prices keep going up and their health insurance benefits and pensions get cut again and on and on and on it goes…

[Aecetia]

Each side puts a different face on the Bogeyman, with the same result, to give the masses something tangible to fear, rather than think about their loss of freedom. It reminds me of the movies in the 50’s where we were being invaded by aliens from outer space. The real fear then was nuclear annihilation, but aliens were preferable to our fellow humans. This is the 2000’s version of space aliens with better graphics.

[Aecetia]

Each side puts a different face on the Bogeyman, with the same result, to give the masses something tangible to fear, rather than think about their loss of freedom. It reminds me of the movies in the 50’s where we were being invaded by aliens from outer space. The real fear then was nuclear annihilation, but aliens were preferable to our fellow humans. This is the 2000’s version of space aliens with better graphics.

[Aecetia]

Each side puts a different face on the Bogeyman, with the same result, to give the masses something tangible to fear, rather than think about their loss of freedom. It reminds me of the movies in the 50’s where we were being invaded by aliens from outer space. The real fear then was nuclear annihilation, but aliens were preferable to our fellow humans. This is the 2000’s version of space aliens with better graphics.

[Aecetia]

Each side puts a different face on the Bogeyman, with the same result, to give the masses something tangible to fear, rather than think about their loss of freedom. It reminds me of the movies in the 50’s where we were being invaded by aliens from outer space. The real fear then was nuclear annihilation, but aliens were preferable to our fellow humans. This is the 2000’s version of space aliens with better graphics.

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