Off Topic: “Myth of Consensus explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

[Aecetia]

I agree with Concho, it will just lead to more taxes.

Ronald Reagan said it best:

“In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price.”

[yellow8yellowm]

1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.

[yellow8yellowm]

1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.

[yellow8yellowm]

1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.

[yellow8yellowm]

1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.

[yellow8yellowm]

1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.

[jficquette]

[quote=Daverz]Even Jonah Goldberg admitted he was taken in by this article.

[/quote]

All you have to do is search on the Internet and you will find many articles debunking global warming as a joke.

I can’t stress enough how much money plays into what some scientists support. The great majority of scientists who claim that humans are causing climate change are getting paid through grants given by entities who want them to find the link between Humans and Global Warming. If they don’t support their sponsors views they are out of a job.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Daverz]Even Jonah Goldberg admitted he was taken in by this article.

[/quote]

All you have to do is search on the Internet and you will find many articles debunking global warming as a joke.

I can’t stress enough how much money plays into what some scientists support. The great majority of scientists who claim that humans are causing climate change are getting paid through grants given by entities who want them to find the link between Humans and Global Warming. If they don’t support their sponsors views they are out of a job.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Daverz]Even Jonah Goldberg admitted he was taken in by this article.

[/quote]

All you have to do is search on the Internet and you will find many articles debunking global warming as a joke.

I can’t stress enough how much money plays into what some scientists support. The great majority of scientists who claim that humans are causing climate change are getting paid through grants given by entities who want them to find the link between Humans and Global Warming. If they don’t support their sponsors views they are out of a job.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Daverz]Even Jonah Goldberg admitted he was taken in by this article.

[/quote]

All you have to do is search on the Internet and you will find many articles debunking global warming as a joke.

I can’t stress enough how much money plays into what some scientists support. The great majority of scientists who claim that humans are causing climate change are getting paid through grants given by entities who want them to find the link between Humans and Global Warming. If they don’t support their sponsors views they are out of a job.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Daverz]Even Jonah Goldberg admitted he was taken in by this article.

[/quote]

All you have to do is search on the Internet and you will find many articles debunking global warming as a joke.

I can’t stress enough how much money plays into what some scientists support. The great majority of scientists who claim that humans are causing climate change are getting paid through grants given by entities who want them to find the link between Humans and Global Warming. If they don’t support their sponsors views they are out of a job.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=yellow8yellowm]1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.[/quote]

Another factor is it gives them something else to blame on “big business” and Republicans.

They don’t see to care that the biggest polluter on earth is communist China or that they are burning down the rain forest in Brazil to make charcoal.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=yellow8yellowm]1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.[/quote]

Another factor is it gives them something else to blame on “big business” and Republicans.

They don’t see to care that the biggest polluter on earth is communist China or that they are burning down the rain forest in Brazil to make charcoal.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=yellow8yellowm]1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.[/quote]

Another factor is it gives them something else to blame on “big business” and Republicans.

They don’t see to care that the biggest polluter on earth is communist China or that they are burning down the rain forest in Brazil to make charcoal.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=yellow8yellowm]1. Concensus: This means nothing. In Galileo’s day everybody agreed that the sun revolved around the earth, but they were all wrong. The list of the concensus being wrong goes on forever.

2. Correlation does not mean causation: If you assume temperatures have risen at the same time that CO2 has risen this does not prove that CO2 causes GW.

3. Stance changes: In 70’s there the mantra was “global cooling”. This changed to “global warming” and now it is more of just plain old “climate change”.

It is pretty obvious that this is more than just a scientific belief. It is more of a sociopolitical belief, or even a religious belief. It is not cooling, warming, or change that people are worried about. These people are just need something to feel good about. They don’t care about evidence or proof because you don’t those things when you have faith. Look at all the wood burning stoves in Marin County for example.

Don’t get me wrong everybody. I don’t like pollution either, but I think the alarmist/unscientific attitude of environmentalism needs some change.[/quote]

Another factor is it gives them something else to blame on “big business” and Republicans.

They don’t see to care that the biggest polluter on earth is communist China or that they are burning down the rain forest in Brazil to make charcoal.

John

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