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  • April 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM #194043
    equalizer
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    Piggs – Go back and watch the Three Days of the Condor.

    “They’ll just want us to get it for them”

    HIGGINS
    No. It’s simple economics. Today, it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years…
    food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the
    people are gonna want us to do then?

    TURNER
    Ask them.

    HIGGINS
    Not now. Then. Ask them when they’re running out. Ask them when there’s no
    heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask
    them when people who’ve never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna
    know something? They won’t want us to ask them. They’ll just want us to get
    it for them.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

    April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM #193994
    Arraya
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    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make

    This sounds more like a “perfect world” scenario. IMO we are now in a race against time. What do you think the economy will look like at $300-400? Who will be able to afford them IF and it is a big IF all the bugs are worked out by 2010?

    No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    This is subject to debate as well, if a large portion of the fleet is turned over. Also, how long do you really think it would take to change out 1 billion cars. The car companies sell about 70 million a year now. ? Do you really think they are ramping up to sell that many? What will happen to the price when there is a mad rush to buy them and they are not prepared?

    Another connection you should all make is that of food riots and the price of oil. Oil is probably the main contributor of the price increases which are causing the riots.

    How many people do you think will be in the streets at $200 or 300 bbl?

    This is happening all on the back drop of potential cascading bank failures.

    If one so choose, the could make the connection of the american way of life literally killing millions in the third world. This is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

    Interesting times we live in…

    April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM #194023
    Arraya
    Participant

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make

    This sounds more like a “perfect world” scenario. IMO we are now in a race against time. What do you think the economy will look like at $300-400? Who will be able to afford them IF and it is a big IF all the bugs are worked out by 2010?

    No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    This is subject to debate as well, if a large portion of the fleet is turned over. Also, how long do you really think it would take to change out 1 billion cars. The car companies sell about 70 million a year now. ? Do you really think they are ramping up to sell that many? What will happen to the price when there is a mad rush to buy them and they are not prepared?

    Another connection you should all make is that of food riots and the price of oil. Oil is probably the main contributor of the price increases which are causing the riots.

    How many people do you think will be in the streets at $200 or 300 bbl?

    This is happening all on the back drop of potential cascading bank failures.

    If one so choose, the could make the connection of the american way of life literally killing millions in the third world. This is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

    Interesting times we live in…

    April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM #194050
    Arraya
    Participant

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make

    This sounds more like a “perfect world” scenario. IMO we are now in a race against time. What do you think the economy will look like at $300-400? Who will be able to afford them IF and it is a big IF all the bugs are worked out by 2010?

    No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    This is subject to debate as well, if a large portion of the fleet is turned over. Also, how long do you really think it would take to change out 1 billion cars. The car companies sell about 70 million a year now. ? Do you really think they are ramping up to sell that many? What will happen to the price when there is a mad rush to buy them and they are not prepared?

    Another connection you should all make is that of food riots and the price of oil. Oil is probably the main contributor of the price increases which are causing the riots.

    How many people do you think will be in the streets at $200 or 300 bbl?

    This is happening all on the back drop of potential cascading bank failures.

    If one so choose, the could make the connection of the american way of life literally killing millions in the third world. This is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

    Interesting times we live in…

    April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM #194064
    Arraya
    Participant

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make

    This sounds more like a “perfect world” scenario. IMO we are now in a race against time. What do you think the economy will look like at $300-400? Who will be able to afford them IF and it is a big IF all the bugs are worked out by 2010?

    No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    This is subject to debate as well, if a large portion of the fleet is turned over. Also, how long do you really think it would take to change out 1 billion cars. The car companies sell about 70 million a year now. ? Do you really think they are ramping up to sell that many? What will happen to the price when there is a mad rush to buy them and they are not prepared?

    Another connection you should all make is that of food riots and the price of oil. Oil is probably the main contributor of the price increases which are causing the riots.

    How many people do you think will be in the streets at $200 or 300 bbl?

    This is happening all on the back drop of potential cascading bank failures.

    If one so choose, the could make the connection of the american way of life literally killing millions in the third world. This is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

    Interesting times we live in…

    April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM #194109
    Arraya
    Participant

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make

    This sounds more like a “perfect world” scenario. IMO we are now in a race against time. What do you think the economy will look like at $300-400? Who will be able to afford them IF and it is a big IF all the bugs are worked out by 2010?

    No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    This is subject to debate as well, if a large portion of the fleet is turned over. Also, how long do you really think it would take to change out 1 billion cars. The car companies sell about 70 million a year now. ? Do you really think they are ramping up to sell that many? What will happen to the price when there is a mad rush to buy them and they are not prepared?

    Another connection you should all make is that of food riots and the price of oil. Oil is probably the main contributor of the price increases which are causing the riots.

    How many people do you think will be in the streets at $200 or 300 bbl?

    This is happening all on the back drop of potential cascading bank failures.

    If one so choose, the could make the connection of the american way of life literally killing millions in the third world. This is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

    Interesting times we live in…

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