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  • April 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM #193967
    zzz
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    Fuel economy has not improved since 1985…has actually gone down a bit. Nova did a very interesting piece on how ineffecient cars are and how the auto industry has taken little interest in using other materials that are more durable and lighter therefore increasing efficiency, but the materials are also expensive (used on airplane wings)

    Excerpt of an interview plus you can watch the show online

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/

    April 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM #193867
    Eugene
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    there is no way that EVs, PHEVs, or certainly hydrogen vehicles will have any significant penetration in the vehicle fleet in the next five years

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make. No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    April 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM #193899
    Eugene
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    there is no way that EVs, PHEVs, or certainly hydrogen vehicles will have any significant penetration in the vehicle fleet in the next five years

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make. No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    April 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM #193926
    Eugene
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    there is no way that EVs, PHEVs, or certainly hydrogen vehicles will have any significant penetration in the vehicle fleet in the next five years

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make. No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    April 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM #193939
    Eugene
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    there is no way that EVs, PHEVs, or certainly hydrogen vehicles will have any significant penetration in the vehicle fleet in the next five years

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make. No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    April 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM #193982
    Eugene
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    there is no way that EVs, PHEVs, or certainly hydrogen vehicles will have any significant penetration in the vehicle fleet in the next five years

    Toyota and GM are planning to bring PHEVs on the market by 2010. If gasoline is past $10 mark by then, they won’t have much trouble selling all they can make. No infrastructure changes are required for PHEVs. All you need is an outlet in your garage.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM #193913
    equalizer
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    Fuel economy has not improved because horsepower has gone up nearly 50% since 85. Everyone need 275hp in their sedan that is towing the 10,000lb trailer, er I mean towing the Coach bag.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM #193944
    equalizer
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    Fuel economy has not improved because horsepower has gone up nearly 50% since 85. Everyone need 275hp in their sedan that is towing the 10,000lb trailer, er I mean towing the Coach bag.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM #193971
    equalizer
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    Fuel economy has not improved because horsepower has gone up nearly 50% since 85. Everyone need 275hp in their sedan that is towing the 10,000lb trailer, er I mean towing the Coach bag.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM #193985
    equalizer
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    Fuel economy has not improved because horsepower has gone up nearly 50% since 85. Everyone need 275hp in their sedan that is towing the 10,000lb trailer, er I mean towing the Coach bag.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM #194027
    equalizer
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    Fuel economy has not improved because horsepower has gone up nearly 50% since 85. Everyone need 275hp in their sedan that is towing the 10,000lb trailer, er I mean towing the Coach bag.

    April 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM #193927
    equalizer
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    Piggs – Go back and watch the Three Days of the Condor.

    “They’ll just want us to get it for them”

    HIGGINS
    No. It’s simple economics. Today, it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years…
    food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the
    people are gonna want us to do then?

    TURNER
    Ask them.

    HIGGINS
    Not now. Then. Ask them when they’re running out. Ask them when there’s no
    heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask
    them when people who’ve never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna
    know something? They won’t want us to ask them. They’ll just want us to get
    it for them.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

    April 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM #193957
    equalizer
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    Piggs – Go back and watch the Three Days of the Condor.

    “They’ll just want us to get it for them”

    HIGGINS
    No. It’s simple economics. Today, it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years…
    food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the
    people are gonna want us to do then?

    TURNER
    Ask them.

    HIGGINS
    Not now. Then. Ask them when they’re running out. Ask them when there’s no
    heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask
    them when people who’ve never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna
    know something? They won’t want us to ask them. They’ll just want us to get
    it for them.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

    April 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM #193986
    equalizer
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    Piggs – Go back and watch the Three Days of the Condor.

    “They’ll just want us to get it for them”

    HIGGINS
    No. It’s simple economics. Today, it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years…
    food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the
    people are gonna want us to do then?

    TURNER
    Ask them.

    HIGGINS
    Not now. Then. Ask them when they’re running out. Ask them when there’s no
    heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask
    them when people who’ve never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna
    know something? They won’t want us to ask them. They’ll just want us to get
    it for them.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

    April 24, 2008 at 4:40 PM #194000
    equalizer
    Participant

    Piggs – Go back and watch the Three Days of the Condor.

    “They’ll just want us to get it for them”

    HIGGINS
    No. It’s simple economics. Today, it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years…
    food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the
    people are gonna want us to do then?

    TURNER
    Ask them.

    HIGGINS
    Not now. Then. Ask them when they’re running out. Ask them when there’s no
    heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask
    them when people who’ve never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna
    know something? They won’t want us to ask them. They’ll just want us to get
    it for them.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

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