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  • April 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM #12498
    Coronita
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    I definitely hit a record today at the pumps. 20 gals * 4 of premium was like 80 bucks. Thankfully I don’t normally drive my suv outside the weekends. And its relatively efficient for an suv. I can’t imagine what those hummer, suburban, expedition, escalade drivers are paying at the pumps. I feel sorry for them. Oh not really

    April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190912
    svelte
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    Just as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!

    Maybe I should be smug, too!

    April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190935
    svelte
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    Just as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!

    Maybe I should be smug, too!

    April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190964
    svelte
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    Just as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!

    Maybe I should be smug, too!

    April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190978
    svelte
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    Just as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!

    Maybe I should be smug, too!

    April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #191025
    svelte
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    Just as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!

    Maybe I should be smug, too!

    April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190917
    LarryTheRenter
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    you are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…

    ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..

    April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190940
    LarryTheRenter
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    you are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…

    ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..

    April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190969
    LarryTheRenter
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    you are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…

    ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..

    April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190983
    LarryTheRenter
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    you are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…

    ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..

    April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #191030
    LarryTheRenter
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    you are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…

    ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..

    April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #190972
    SDEngineer
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    Well, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.

    The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.

    April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #190996
    SDEngineer
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    Well, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.

    The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.

    April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #191024
    SDEngineer
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    Well, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.

    The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.

    April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #191038
    SDEngineer
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    Well, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.

    The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.

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