Minority population grows into California majority

[one_muggle]

Wow… this racist anti-american thread is back!?
I thought the motto here was bring data, let’s see
Nobel Prizes as of 2006
USA:160
Japan: 12 (nope, didn’t forget a zero)
China: 5
FWIW: Poland nudges out Japan with 14, and Ireland follows closely with 10 (just pointing that out since I am a 1st generation McPollack myself–wonder if I get any “hybrid vigor”).
What data is out there to refute American’s dominance in innovation? Maybe more recent inventions? Like the transistor, computer, internet, world wide web (BTW:not the same thing), Google–but those are American too…

An admittedly anecdotal story:my uncle, who was but a babe when he got to these shores is now a self-made multi-millionaire. Not bad for a lazy, good for nothing Mick. Good thing all these Asians weren’t around back then to muck things up for him ;^)

The logic (or rather lack)here seems to be: People from another country to US universities because Americans are less intelligent…right. Makes no sense. People come to our universities because they know ours are among the best in the world. On balance that great sucking sound one hears is a brain drain from the rest of the world to the US. The reason Americans don’t flock to higher education (post graduate) is that it is hard and often does not payoff financially, at least not much more than a BA or BS (maybe a Masters), especially for smart, motivated native speakers.

The reason Asians and other immigrants do so well upon coming here is simple. Anyone with the energy, courage and ability to up and leave their homeland, and support system (family), as well as learn a new language and culture has already shown themselves to be better. Better than the average American and better than their average countrymen. The average immigrant is not your average person. These days the average American goes to college. Not so in most countries. So, it should not be surprizing that the average foreign college student is better then the average American.

But maybe it is the genes?
Two thousand years ago the Chinese became astronomers, pondering the universe. These days most are dirt farmers or factory workers. I guess their genes went bad. Two thousand years ago the Arabs had sewers, while the Euros were throwing crap out their windows. Now Arabs (not in direct power) scratch out livings while the Euros sip lattes wondering how to integrate the 20% of the population with no formal education–mostly Arab. Guess their genes got dated too.

Or maybe it has something to do with opportunity… no, that would put the burden back on us to do well. After all, you are probably average–by definition 8^P. Well, back to Pro-Wrestling, my TiVo is full of Paris Hilton interviews, so I can’t record it.

-one Ugly American muggle

[Anonymous]

o_m, you know some neat stats and history, and display fine logic. Glad that you’re on our side!

What do you do for a living?

[Anonymous]

o_m, you know some neat stats and history, and display fine logic. Glad that you’re on our side!

What do you do for a living?

[Coronita]

Here's an email I got probably by accident. Americans need not apply. Dennis Smith wrote: Urgent openings for full time position (Oracle DBA) Hi, This is Dennis from HD Dimension Corp. which deals with IT staffing, consulting, recruiting and resourcing. I have got your profile from job portal and it is my pleasure to let you know that your profile matches with several job openings with us ……. HD Dimension Corp is a DNB certified company in serving its Fortune 500 clients in IT Consulting and Staffing. We have several openings with our Client projects across USA. We are looking for excellent people who can take on challenge and perform as Wall Street professional ……. Our Clients are JPMC, Microsoft, AT & T, CISCO, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and many more …… For further information visit our website http://www.hddimension.com Our openings: Oracle DBA. What you need to qualify: – Master/Bachelors in any Technology/Engineering or having knowledge about UNIX, oracle 9i, 10g, Database, SQL .. – Valid work Authorization in USA. – Freshers can apply. Fully Industry oriented onsite training with FREE ACCOMODATION. Training (Must Required) & Job Opportunity (100 % Guaranteed) Summary: We provide industrial-strength training on Oracle DBA and job opportunities (100 % guaranteed)…… Training Starts On : 18th August .. Training Duration: Five weeks ( core Oracle DBA Training and BOOT Camp process with grooming sessions and free guidance from mentor ) …. Class Description: Small class size with around 10 people free accommodation during Training …… Training Fee : $1500 (to be paid by the candidate) , because we will guarantee you a full time job with a minimum of $ 55k to $ 65k per annum initially with a definite chance of salary hike (10 %) twice a year and medical benefits 22 days paid annual leaves …… Training place: 3312 Town Court South, Lawrenceville, NJ, USA 08648. What we offer to you: – Full Time permanent job. – Working with Billion Dollar projects of Fortune 500 companies. – H1B Sponsorship. – Green card Sponsorship. – Benefits like Medical, Dental, Vision etc. – Aggressive Salaries with 10% increment annually. – Performance Evaluation every six months. – Offer letter for CPT application….. Interested candidates, who want to grab this 100% (Guaranteed) job opportunity followed by this compulsory industry oriented training with upfront payment, send me your updated Resume in word format along with your current visa status ASAP and we will guarantee you with 100 % job opportunity (full time) after successful completion of the training along with visa sponsorship ….. Shoot off your resume along with your visa status ASAP… Looking forward to your reply, so that we can move accordingly before time runs out….. Urgent requirement for Oracle DBA In case of any queries , Contact : Dennis Smith Telephone : 732-546-3995 , 732-658-5270 Email : [email protected] Website : http://www.hddimension.com Company Name : HD Dimension Corp. Company Address : 5 Independence Way Suite 300 Princeton, NJ 08540

 

Again. Jobs like this are *hardly* differentiating. DBA almost like "programmer". I.E. it's a monkey see, monkey do type job that has very little barriers to entry. Java, C++ coding skills are easily outsourced. Find me a good system designer,architect,PM,PDM that can be outsourced, let me know.

[Coronita]

Here's an email I got probably by accident. Americans need not apply. Dennis Smith wrote: Urgent openings for full time position (Oracle DBA) Hi, This is Dennis from HD Dimension Corp. which deals with IT staffing, consulting, recruiting and resourcing. I have got your profile from job portal and it is my pleasure to let you know that your profile matches with several job openings with us ……. HD Dimension Corp is a DNB certified company in serving its Fortune 500 clients in IT Consulting and Staffing. We have several openings with our Client projects across USA. We are looking for excellent people who can take on challenge and perform as Wall Street professional ……. Our Clients are JPMC, Microsoft, AT & T, CISCO, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and many more …… For further information visit our website http://www.hddimension.com Our openings: Oracle DBA. What you need to qualify: – Master/Bachelors in any Technology/Engineering or having knowledge about UNIX, oracle 9i, 10g, Database, SQL .. – Valid work Authorization in USA. – Freshers can apply. Fully Industry oriented onsite training with FREE ACCOMODATION. Training (Must Required) & Job Opportunity (100 % Guaranteed) Summary: We provide industrial-strength training on Oracle DBA and job opportunities (100 % guaranteed)…… Training Starts On : 18th August .. Training Duration: Five weeks ( core Oracle DBA Training and BOOT Camp process with grooming sessions and free guidance from mentor ) …. Class Description: Small class size with around 10 people free accommodation during Training …… Training Fee : $1500 (to be paid by the candidate) , because we will guarantee you a full time job with a minimum of $ 55k to $ 65k per annum initially with a definite chance of salary hike (10 %) twice a year and medical benefits 22 days paid annual leaves …… Training place: 3312 Town Court South, Lawrenceville, NJ, USA 08648. What we offer to you: – Full Time permanent job. – Working with Billion Dollar projects of Fortune 500 companies. – H1B Sponsorship. – Green card Sponsorship. – Benefits like Medical, Dental, Vision etc. – Aggressive Salaries with 10% increment annually. – Performance Evaluation every six months. – Offer letter for CPT application….. Interested candidates, who want to grab this 100% (Guaranteed) job opportunity followed by this compulsory industry oriented training with upfront payment, send me your updated Resume in word format along with your current visa status ASAP and we will guarantee you with 100 % job opportunity (full time) after successful completion of the training along with visa sponsorship ….. Shoot off your resume along with your visa status ASAP… Looking forward to your reply, so that we can move accordingly before time runs out….. Urgent requirement for Oracle DBA In case of any queries , Contact : Dennis Smith Telephone : 732-546-3995 , 732-658-5270 Email : [email protected] Website : http://www.hddimension.com Company Name : HD Dimension Corp. Company Address : 5 Independence Way Suite 300 Princeton, NJ 08540

 

Again. Jobs like this are *hardly* differentiating. DBA almost like "programmer". I.E. it's a monkey see, monkey do type job that has very little barriers to entry. Java, C++ coding skills are easily outsourced. Find me a good system designer,architect,PM,PDM that can be outsourced, let me know.

[Coronita]

The logic (or rather lack)here seems to be: People from another country to US universities because Americans are less intelligent…right. Makes no sense. People come to our universities because they know ours are among the best in the world. On balance that great sucking sound one hears is a brain drain from the rest of the world to the US. The reason Americans don't flock to higher education (post graduate) is that it is hard and often does not payoff financially, at least not much more than a BA or BS (maybe a Masters), especially for smart, motivated native speakers.

 

Um, yeah, sure. The average person that doesn't seek a higher education is better off financially. Um, I would say the flaw in that logic is that a very small percentage (with most of them here on this board probably) would fit that mode. Is that why we see so many middle class folks struggling to meet basic survival? Or why so many people bitch about affordability of homes. Sorry, I would say the average american would be better off it they attained higher education, because most of them are NOT Bill Gates, even though they thing they are.

 

Funny you should mention about the higher education not financially “sound”. An excoworker of mine said the same thing. He bitches about “our jobs” being outsourced. How this is “discouraging” americans from entering advance degrees, yada , yada,yada. Meanwhile this fat fvck showed up at work at 11am, took 2 hour lunch break, got back around 2pm, played solitaire till 4, was actively blogging the rest of the day. And yet he still bitched about his job (trust me, he was pretty well paid). I finally got so fed up with him, I just told him that if he’s so unhappy, just quit. His response: “I don’t think I could find another position elsewhere that could ‘accomodate’ my lifestyle.” Go figure.

But hey, that’s just my opinion. And opinions are a dime a dozen. Of course, I’m not going to complain about housing affordability or if things come crashing down either..Because frankly, I’ve (we’ve done pretty well), and pretty much don’t care either way.

Personally, I like any type of highly motivated people, white, asian, purple, green blue that is pretty open minded. I just like to make fun of the idiot rednecks that scream “Buy american” when most of the sh!t they bought al walmart is made overseas, and they aren’t willing to give it up…no different than the FOB’s that stick out like a sore thumb.

[Coronita]

The logic (or rather lack)here seems to be: People from another country to US universities because Americans are less intelligent…right. Makes no sense. People come to our universities because they know ours are among the best in the world. On balance that great sucking sound one hears is a brain drain from the rest of the world to the US. The reason Americans don't flock to higher education (post graduate) is that it is hard and often does not payoff financially, at least not much more than a BA or BS (maybe a Masters), especially for smart, motivated native speakers.

 

Um, yeah, sure. The average person that doesn't seek a higher education is better off financially. Um, I would say the flaw in that logic is that a very small percentage (with most of them here on this board probably) would fit that mode. Is that why we see so many middle class folks struggling to meet basic survival? Or why so many people bitch about affordability of homes. Sorry, I would say the average american would be better off it they attained higher education, because most of them are NOT Bill Gates, even though they thing they are.

 

Funny you should mention about the higher education not financially “sound”. An excoworker of mine said the same thing. He bitches about “our jobs” being outsourced. How this is “discouraging” americans from entering advance degrees, yada , yada,yada. Meanwhile this fat fvck showed up at work at 11am, took 2 hour lunch break, got back around 2pm, played solitaire till 4, was actively blogging the rest of the day. And yet he still bitched about his job (trust me, he was pretty well paid). I finally got so fed up with him, I just told him that if he’s so unhappy, just quit. His response: “I don’t think I could find another position elsewhere that could ‘accomodate’ my lifestyle.” Go figure.

But hey, that’s just my opinion. And opinions are a dime a dozen. Of course, I’m not going to complain about housing affordability or if things come crashing down either..Because frankly, I’ve (we’ve done pretty well), and pretty much don’t care either way.

Personally, I like any type of highly motivated people, white, asian, purple, green blue that is pretty open minded. I just like to make fun of the idiot rednecks that scream “Buy american” when most of the sh!t they bought al walmart is made overseas, and they aren’t willing to give it up…no different than the FOB’s that stick out like a sore thumb.

[rankandfile]

FLU –

You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn’t that like the stove calling the kettle black?

[rankandfile]

FLU –

You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn’t that like the stove calling the kettle black?

[Coronita]

FLU – You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn't that like the stove calling the kettle black?

 

1. The way we were sitting in one room, it was like a classroom. I sat right behind him and could see exactly what he was doing, when he got in, when he left, when he was playing solitaire, when he was surfing, when he was blogging, when he waa actually working (which wasn’t that much). Ironically, the group leader sat right behind me and could see everyone as well. I was running a project, and unfortunately depended on him. Pretty soon, it was just more efficient not to include him in any discussions, because anything that came out of his mouth was just B.S. So as the project owner, I also know what he did (or I should say what little he did). Also, although I didn’t go that far, I’m sure the I.T. logs for his machines would show that most his time was spent not working. In fact most companies that I worked at have network logs that details exactly what each employee does/doesn’t do. No one really looks at them, unless you get into a legal issues, or want to fire someone with some reasons.

2. As far as myself
I get my sh!t done.

3. I'm pretty proactive about running projects

4. If I was in a position to, I would have fired that coworker. Unfortunately, I couldn't. But fortunately, others are looking at it now.

5. While I don't expect people to work like slaves, and everyone spends some time at work doing non-work stuff, folks like this coworker deserve to loose their jobs and struggle to get back to reality. He literally gets nothing done, and pretty much blames everyone but himself as to why. Epitome of a lot of lazy asses I've run across in my career. No work ethics frankly.

6. I no longer work for that company because I hate being surrounded by lazy people such as him. And my understanding is that those that are left at that company pretty much are useless elsewhere (except the ones on H1-B's which are there because they have to be there).

 

[Coronita]

FLU – You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn't that like the stove calling the kettle black?

 

1. The way we were sitting in one room, it was like a classroom. I sat right behind him and could see exactly what he was doing, when he got in, when he left, when he was playing solitaire, when he was surfing, when he was blogging, when he waa actually working (which wasn’t that much). Ironically, the group leader sat right behind me and could see everyone as well. I was running a project, and unfortunately depended on him. Pretty soon, it was just more efficient not to include him in any discussions, because anything that came out of his mouth was just B.S. So as the project owner, I also know what he did (or I should say what little he did). Also, although I didn’t go that far, I’m sure the I.T. logs for his machines would show that most his time was spent not working. In fact most companies that I worked at have network logs that details exactly what each employee does/doesn’t do. No one really looks at them, unless you get into a legal issues, or want to fire someone with some reasons.

2. As far as myself
I get my sh!t done.

3. I'm pretty proactive about running projects

4. If I was in a position to, I would have fired that coworker. Unfortunately, I couldn't. But fortunately, others are looking at it now.

5. While I don't expect people to work like slaves, and everyone spends some time at work doing non-work stuff, folks like this coworker deserve to loose their jobs and struggle to get back to reality. He literally gets nothing done, and pretty much blames everyone but himself as to why. Epitome of a lot of lazy asses I've run across in my career. No work ethics frankly.

6. I no longer work for that company because I hate being surrounded by lazy people such as him. And my understanding is that those that are left at that company pretty much are useless elsewhere (except the ones on H1-B's which are there because they have to be there).

 

[Anonymous]

hmmm, the replies I posted have been deleted. Beware of mind control where free speech is not tolerated.

This is a waste of time. I do not trust the information on this site.

[Anonymous]

hmmm, the replies I posted have been deleted. Beware of mind control where free speech is not tolerated.

This is a waste of time. I do not trust the information on this site.

[KIBU]

I am a first generation, used to be fresh off the boat from “Asia”, Southeast. If I have not picked a profession that has a good job market, I would literally went starved together with my family, my parents and siblings. It is a survival matter and you just have to pick the field that provide stable jobs. For me, it was not a choice, eventhough I still keep dreaming what if I have picked the field I loved all my life instead of the profession I am in now. No one would die, but it would have been a very hard life for everybody if I picked my passion. Yes, we Asians have passions like anybody else, but many got stuck with the situation we are from. I always respect and admire the many American friends who chose their field out of love and passions, instead of for money or parental pressure. I admire their success and intelligence and enjoyment. I even admire more the few asians I know who pursued their passions inspite of the situation they are in. For my kids, I have learned the lesson and would definitely try to provide them the opportunity to CHOOSE themselves.

That is just my experience as a first generation Asian immigrant. I don’t believe that one can be stereotyped to be the same as second generation immigrants, or worse, stretch it and include asians who live in Asia…we are different. But in general, I believe that you have to come into the field with passions in order to come up with big ideas.

In terms of innovation, the only thing I can brag about is the near miss patenting that I did on a major idea. It turned out a big company has already taken cared of that patenting.

In terms of innovations, I believe Asia or asians lag behind the west a very far, far distant. We are a little better than pure copy cats with some secondary innovations. The Western world’s culture, education and open thinking produced and still produce the primary earth changing innovations that everyone else is just following, in general. There would be some exceptions, of course.

Innovations depends on many factors, not just how many BS,MS,PhD degrees you have: infrastructure, protective legal system, culture encouraging innovation, business environment to provide resources, the arts, and of course the brain.

I believe Asia will need at least a century to catch up.

[KIBU]

I am a first generation, used to be fresh off the boat from “Asia”, Southeast. If I have not picked a profession that has a good job market, I would literally went starved together with my family, my parents and siblings. It is a survival matter and you just have to pick the field that provide stable jobs. For me, it was not a choice, eventhough I still keep dreaming what if I have picked the field I loved all my life instead of the profession I am in now. No one would die, but it would have been a very hard life for everybody if I picked my passion. Yes, we Asians have passions like anybody else, but many got stuck with the situation we are from. I always respect and admire the many American friends who chose their field out of love and passions, instead of for money or parental pressure. I admire their success and intelligence and enjoyment. I even admire more the few asians I know who pursued their passions inspite of the situation they are in. For my kids, I have learned the lesson and would definitely try to provide them the opportunity to CHOOSE themselves.

That is just my experience as a first generation Asian immigrant. I don’t believe that one can be stereotyped to be the same as second generation immigrants, or worse, stretch it and include asians who live in Asia…we are different. But in general, I believe that you have to come into the field with passions in order to come up with big ideas.

In terms of innovation, the only thing I can brag about is the near miss patenting that I did on a major idea. It turned out a big company has already taken cared of that patenting.

In terms of innovations, I believe Asia or asians lag behind the west a very far, far distant. We are a little better than pure copy cats with some secondary innovations. The Western world’s culture, education and open thinking produced and still produce the primary earth changing innovations that everyone else is just following, in general. There would be some exceptions, of course.

Innovations depends on many factors, not just how many BS,MS,PhD degrees you have: infrastructure, protective legal system, culture encouraging innovation, business environment to provide resources, the arts, and of course the brain.

I believe Asia will need at least a century to catch up.

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