It’s a bad day for human beings

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[quote=svelte]Jesus Christ!

Get a life people!

So much more important things to do in life than trade ASCII jabs in cyberspace!

Whose mind do you think you’re changing anyway!

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Meh. Mostly on my breaks at work (yes, it’s a 24/7 operation). Sometimes not much else to do on break. It’s brain exercise. You know how they say doing crossword puzzles and whatnot can help keep you sharp as you get older? A more recent study says that mental exertion will keep you sharp, but not relaxing, enjoyable things such as crosswords. You have to really put some effort into something, push yourself.

But, yeah, not changing anybody’s mind.

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Love the hypothetical

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Lame sarcasm? You have no reasonable response to my hypotheticals, so you respond with lame sarcasm? Weak. Very weak.
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Here you go – I will admit that some people are gullible and some people use denial to deal with their problems. And I can think of a very famous example that loosely follows your hypothetical: Hillary Clinton – if you make the condom receipt the blue dress.
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That would only be denial if Hillary didn’t believe Bill was messing around with Monica. Do you have evidence that she didn’t believe it? Your “logic” fails again. Again, one might disagree with Hillary’s decision to stay with Bill after he fooled around with Monica (or any of the other women he had). And one could say she was gullible if she didn’t believe it. But I’ve seen no indication that she didn’t believe it.

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I think by your analysis you would decide she was gullible, but I’m not sure because, frankly, it was sort of rambling and weird.
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As I’ve shown you, your logic is faulty, and I wouldn’t decide she was gullible based on that.
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but I’m not sure because, frankly, it was sort of rambling and weird.
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Rambling and weird? Or above your reading level? The hypotheticals were an attempt to get you to see the difference between “I disagree with you” and “you’re gullible.” In the married-friend scenario, the friend is a trump voter (if she believes her husband). You are somebody observing a trump voter and clearly seeing that they’re gullible. Do you “disagree” with them? Or do you think they’re gullible and not dealing from truth? It’s an important question, one that goes to the heart of your assertion that I think people are idiots because they “disagree” with me, when in fact I think they’re idiots because it’s obvious that they’re gullible, and not dealing from truth. Maybe that’s why you keep ignoring that question.

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Do I believe that gullibility and/or denial are used more often by members of one political party versus another? No.
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I would make a distinction. I agree that one party’s members are not more gullible than another’s. In fact, I’ve said as much earlier in this thread. But I would say that there is vastly more misinformation out there aimed at emotionally manipulating people to believe right-wing propaganda than left.
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Do I think you are hypocritical? Yes
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But you can’t back it up. So it means nothing. You make empty, unbacked (and unbackable) assertions, and expect them to fly. Well, they don’t fly. The fall flat on their face and make you look like a desperate fool.
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– but you don’t want to believe it

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Why would I if there’s no evidence of it? Do you have evidence of it? I suggest you show evidence, or shut the hell up.
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(I think that makes you like the wife that doesn’t believe her husband is cheating – but again, rambling and weird).

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It only makes me seem that way to you because you have this idea in your head that I’m hypocritical (and in denial about that). But, again, you present exactly zero evidence of any hypocrisy on my part.
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Do I have the time or inclination to address each of your (many) points? No. So I guess we will just have to agree to “disagree”.
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Ah. The old, “I have lost every argument in this debate, so I shall just call you names and quit” trick. Showing your true colors, nj.

[zk]

Con man don and the cowards in congress are pushing the health care bill not because they like it, but because they need to “win.”

Read the article below, and think about the above statement.

These losers are trying (it still has to get past the senate) to take away health care from millions just so they can have a victory. Con man don doesn’t even know exactly what’s in the bill. Neither do a lot of republicans. The few who have read it have said they don’t like it. And you have to figure the rest have at least seen the headlines that it’ll take away health care from millions. And yet they vote for it. So they can have a “win.”

Possibly the most selfish political act in modern American history. If you voted for con man don, you should be feeling like quite the chump right now. But, according to the polls, you’re not. That’s because you’re an ignorant fool.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/05/its-easy-to-win-if-you-dont-care-what-youve-won/?utm_term=.39326c043f46

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I’m not sure if Con Man Don knows what he’s saying … he praised the Australian system (public insurance for all with additional private coverage available) as being better than the US.

[sdgrrl]

There is only one good reason I feel for Trump being elected. I don’t ever want one Republican to admonish another party’s candidate over their religion or sexual/relationship activity.

For years the Republicans used God and religion as their platform for policy.

They have lost that battle tactic and I don’t know if they even see their own impact they caused for their own party’s potential candidates in the future.

Religious right- thank you for elected a secular, wife cheating President. You will never have the religion card to ever use again.

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t know sdgrrl, people can do easy 180s. When it comes to the republican populist base, it’s not about ideas or moral rectitude; t’s about about clansmanship and con man Don is the consigliere.

[FlyerInHi]

zk, Don cut off healthcare from his brother’s widow and kids during inheritance negotiations. What do you expect?

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t know sdgrrl, people can do easy 180s. When it comes to the republican populist base, it’s not about ideas or moral rectitude; t’s about about clansmanship and con man Don is the consigliere.[/quote]

Or the don.

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[quote=sdgrrl]Religious right- thank you for elected a secular, wife cheating President. You will never have the religion card to ever use again.[/quote]

That is entirely logical and entirely incorrect.

Welcome to the new age of American politics.

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[quote=harvey][quote=sdgrrl]Religious right- thank you for elected a secular, wife cheating President. You will never have the religion card to ever use again.[/quote]

That is entirely logical and entirely incorrect.

Welcome to the new age of American politics.[/quote]

Exactly. Con man don’s followers are not bothered in the least by rampant hypocrisy and lying, let alone invalid logic.

[sdgrrl]

The only way they can go back to their old ways is if they have their own little civil war. The Republican party is in chaos mode. Trump was elected and politicians whom would have ignored him except for donations are trying to gain his favor so they have favor with their own voters.

We will see if the old/classic Republicans can take back their party. As it seems right now- it may be no for a while. If you can be non-partisan and look at it from an intellectual, curios way, it is one of the most historic times for a political party.

Will the religious right get their party back? Who are the Republicans now? What do they stand for as a party? What is their identity? Chaos.

[FlyerInHi]

sdgrrl, i find republicans inconsistent on so many levels.

First, on capitalism and enterpreneurship, they are not any better. At the top level people want to protect their assets and income with low taxes, but it does mean they believe in real competition. Just believe when they’re winning, when they start losing they want protectionism.

On morality, they are the same or worse. Maybe worst because they preach but do stuff hidden from view.

To me, an upstanding conservative should be well educated person, with a perfect family. And if the family is not perfect, then they make sacrifices to make it so. No divorce, extra marital affairs, disfunbtional kids, etc…

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[quote=sdgrrl]We will see if the old/classic Republicans can take back their party. [/quote]

I don’t know who specifically the “old/classic Republicans” are, but it it doesn’t matter. The rules have changed in the information age.

Republican voters think they still have the old/classic Republicans. They can’t distinguish Trump from Bush from Gingrich from Reagan from Eisenhower.

Hell, they probably can’t distinguish Trump from Lincoln.

Because they get all of their history, their logic …. their reality from the same source.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

[FlyerInHi]

Well, this is the demagoguery coming from Republicans these days as they scapegoat immigrants. The base mostly doesn’t live where they are many immigrants anyway, but they listen to the fear mongering.

In San Diego and Vegas my interaction with Latinos in particular has been overwhelmingly positive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/05/08/fox-newss-tucker-carlson-demagogued-a-rape-case-involving-immigrants-then-they-were-cleared/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.33fa52d19ab5

[sdgrrl]

I had family in town and they wanted something low key. I took them to a seafood Mexican restaurant in Chula Vista I like.

I was sitting there waiting for them, and looking around. The table across from me was a straight up cholo guy and chola girl. She had the black lip liner and everything. The guy looked like what many of us would call a ‘thug’.

They just sat there, joked with one another and laughed. The guy had the funniest/goofiest laugh ever- made me happy.

The table behind me was a very traditional Mexican couple. The man had on a cowboy hat and nice shirt. Reminds me of times I spent outside of Tijuana type cities, and got to experience what real Mexican culture can be like. The country. The Vaquero/cowboy. Made me feel nostalgic for Texas.

I don’t know, for some reason it made me proud of our city.

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